"a Polish navy refurbish with salt resistant finish"

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I keep seeing Mosin Carbines (M44 and M38) in the EE with what is described as a "Polish Naval finish."

The latest one says: "a Polish navy refurbish with salt resistant finish"

It looks to me like just really cheap black paint and nothing Radom would ever put on a rifle. Anyone have any information on this rumour?

Edit: Typo.
 
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It's a black enamel. I'm not sure who put it on, but my M44 from Corwin came with it. (1944 Russian refurb with Polish stock marking)

Only rumour I heard was a member said he saw Polish forces do this to other rifles when he was in Poland and that it was done by/for the Polish Navy (?)

The finish wore away in the metal on metal contact areas when I shot it. Namely the mag well/action area and where the bayo folds, and the muzzle. Otherwise it's rather durable. You can tell that every piece of metal was removed and painted individually.





 
My triple or quadruple refinished Russian SKS has the same sort of finish as in pics above. May be just as its bluing was so worn, but internals are still good they refinish it few times and then when metal was so overtreated they couldn't blue it any longer so just used BBQ paint on it.
As a result you get sales pitch with uber rare finish that is resistant to humid environment. Yes may be, however its just a paint that was used for refinish process.
 
My triple or quadruple refinished Russian SKS has the same sort of finish as in pics above. May be just as its bluing was so worn, but internals are still good they refinish it few times and then when metal was so overtreated they couldn't blue it any longer so just used BBQ paint on it.
As a result you get sales pitch with uber rare finish that is resistant to humid environment. Yes may be, however its just a paint that was used for refinish process.

Could you explain what happens when "overtreated they coudn't blue it any longer". Just thinking what would cause the metal to prevent the bluing process.
 
That's a good joke :)

Haha, I wish it were a joke and not just a typing mistake :)

@ EL34/6L6 thank you for the clear photos. It does look like a black enamel. I can see a chip on the bottom of the magazine. I imagine it scratches off quite easily?

@ gewehr76, I don't have a refurbished SKS for reference but isn't the "BBQ Paint" actually a parkerizing / phosphating rather than actual paint?
 
I'm the one with the m38 for sale, in the ee, It isn't BBQ paint ( like the sks I had), It was done intentional as every metal part was "painted" right down to the sling slots screws and barrel bands, I wouldn't consider it worth more than other m38's but it is a different variant of refurb which I think makes it unique
 
I'm the one with the m38 for sale, in the ee, It isn't BBQ paint ( like the sks I had), It was done intentional as every metal part was "painted" right down to the sling slots screws and barrel bands, I wouldn't consider it worth more than other m38's but it is a different variant of refurb which I think makes it unique

I wasn't trying to single you out specifically as you're not the first to describe the paint as a "Polish Naval finish". It's clearly a rumour/story someone is spinning as it's just a black paint. Who told you this story?
 
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I wasn't trying to single you out specifically as you're not the first to describe the paint as a "Polish Naval finish". It's clearly a rumour/story someone is spinning as it's just a black paint. Who told you this story?

From Martin at Corwin arms, as "this" batch came from Poland, I talked to him many times and he is a straight up guy that knows his stuff, story or not I was made aware of it and wanted to be honest in my add, and I have more with the same finish, and I was/am happy with all my purchases from him
 
here you go. Wikipedia explanation of how bluing is done.
Could you explain what happens when "overtreated they coudn't blue it any longer". Just thinking what would cause the metal to prevent the bluing process.

Bluing is a passivation process in which steel is partially protected against rust, and is named after the blue-black appearance of the resulting protective finish. True gun bluing is an electrochemical conversion coating resulting from an oxidizing chemical reaction with iron on the surface selectively forming magnetite (Fe3O4), the black oxide of iron. Black oxide provides minimal protection against corrosion, unless also treated with a water-displacing oil to reduce wetting and galvanic action. A distinction can be made between traditional bluing and some other more modern black oxide coatings, although bluing is a subset of black oxide coatings.

In comparison, rust, the red oxide of iron (Fe2O3), undergoes an extremely large volume change upon hydration; as a result, the oxide easily flakes off causing the typical reddish rusting away of iron. "Cold", "Hot", "Rust Blue" and "Fume Blue" are oxidizing processes simply referred to as bluing.

"Cold" bluing is generally a selenium dioxide based compound that colours steel black, or more often a very dark grey. It is a difficult product to apply evenly, offers minimal protection and is generally best used for small fast repair jobs and touch-ups.

The "Hot" process is an alkali salt solution, referred to as "Traditional Caustic Black", that is typically done at an elevated temperature, 135 to 155 °C (275 to 311 °F). This method was adopted by larger firearm companies for large scale, more economical bluing. It does provide good rust resistance which is improved with the use of oil.

"Rust Bluing" and "Fume Bluing" provide the best rust and corrosion resistance as the process continually converts any metal that is capable of rusting into magnetite (Fe3O4). Treating with an oiled coating enhances the protection offered by the bluing. This process is also the only process safely used to re-blue vintage shotguns. Many double barrelled shotguns are soft soldered (Lead) / silver brazed together and many of the parts are attached by that method also. The higher temperatures of the other processes as well as their caustic nature will weaken the soldered joints and make the gun hazardous to use.[citation needed]

Bluing can also be done in a furnace, for example for a sword or other item traditionally made by a blacksmith or specialist such as a weaponsmith. Blacksmith products to this day may occasionally be found made from blued steel by traditional craftsmen in cultures and segments of society who use that technology either by necessity or choice.[1]
 
It's a black enamel. I'm not sure who put it on, but my M44 from Corwin came with it. (1944 Russian refurb with Polish stock marking)

Only rumour I heard was a member said he saw Polish forces do this to other rifles when he was in Poland and that it was done by/for the Polish Navy (?)

The finish wore away in the metal on metal contact areas when I shot it. Namely the mag well/action area and where the bayo folds, and the muzzle. Otherwise it's rather durable. You can tell that every piece of metal was removed and painted individually.






I have one just like yours, also from Corwin. I really like it. The finish i would liken to Tremclad, however.
 
If that's the same paint they use on the SKS refurbs its not a preventative versus just a cover-up for worn bluing. I have seen rust bubble through that paint a couple of times.
 
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