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Great statement right up until the paragraph about the metal detectors at schools. Why go there???

The recent school shooting had all kinds of warning bells ringing loud and clear long before the shooter went nuts and killed 17 people. Major fail of the safety nets that should of stopped this nut-job long before the shooting started including family, friends, police and the FBI. So the world would rather talk about bans, boycotts and restrictions as a diversion to the real issue of who failed at their job and how they screwed it up so badly!
 
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gdrew said:
Great statement right up until the paragraph about the metal detectors at schools. Why go there???

The recent school shooting had all kinds of warning bells ringing loud and clear long before the shooter went nuts and killed 17 people. Major fail of the safety nets that should of stopped this nut-job long before the shooting started including family, friends, police and the FBI. So the world would rather talk about bans, boycotts and restrictions as a diversion to the real issue of who failed at their job and how did they screw it up so badly!
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Agreed! Let's blame "things" instead of putting responsibility on HIM and all the people that allowed this to happen by doing or saying nothing...
 
Good letter except the metal detectors thing, I shouldn't have to explain why its pointless... as for MEC sounds like I will be getting my bike tuned up somewhere else this spring. How do I cancel my membership?

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Or lock the door I still can not believe the simplest thing is not done - he or most just walked in I believe.
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Outer doors should lock automatically and only be opened from the inside, pretty easy to do... inner doors should have sliding locks on the bottom of the doors... simple stuff, not a magic fix by any means, but its something.
 
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I’m still going to buy guns. I’m still going to shop at MEC.

A metal detector is a passive security tool. To stop an active shooter it’s about as useful as a roll of life-savers.

CSAAA should have stuck with their initial plan of keeping a low profile. Getting into a political/legislative discussion over an event that didn’t occur in our country, in which the majority of the populace does not actively support firearms ownership, is a bad move. Especially given that MEC’s move isn’t designed to affect anything in Canada; read the interview.
 
MEC will gain or keep 10 times the business they will lose with that decision. For all intent and purpose, all the business they're gonna lose are people who expressed themselves on CGN. Keep in mind that CGN is a microcosm that is not in any way representative of the general canadian population.

As for metal detector, it's almost as bad an idea as arming teachers. Not only schools will end up resembling prisons, but metal detectors would have 0 effectiveness to prevent a shooter like the one in florida or the sandy hook shooter. And they're not exactly cheap, it would cost millions to equip schools that are literally crumbling due to lack of funds, all to prevent something that happens once every 10-20 years in the country.

Not impressed by the cssa right now. I was hoping for something about 10-22 magazines.
 
Blindeyes said:
I exercised my right not to shop there years ago when i found out they were anti's.
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This was when I stopped going. Started going to Atmosphere instead (but waiting for sales. i'm cheap)

The CSAAA made me wince when they trotted out the same old "our laws are A-OK compared to the bad ol USA line". I think our laws are repressive and unconstitutional not to mention our gun laws imply that Canadians basically have NO property rights whatsoever. Just whatever the gov says we can "own".
Plus metal detectors make what already looks like the prison dressing of our socialist school system come full circle. Hell, why not strip search and poopy hole search while yer at it?
 
It's just sickening to me how there's no accountability anymore, nobody's responsible for their actions at all. Somebody does something horrible with a gun and it's every gun owner in the worlds fault, it's their parents fault, it's the cops fault, it's society's fault. The more agencies and businesses like MEC give in to that kind of idiotic thinking, the worse everything is going to get.
 
to prevent something that happens once every 10-20 years in the country - VinnyQC

Media is reporting 22 School shootings in 2018 alone and upwards of 290 (Everytownresearch.org) since Sandy Hook in 2012 but they have no distinct criteria and include everything from accidental discharges, after hours fights in the parking lot to suicides outside of school hours. Time.com set some parameters to complete their study and they have the list at 63 school shootings in 5 years with 145 children or adults killed or wounded. In Canada we've had 9 school shootings ranging from University to Daycare in Canada since 1975 with 49 children or adults killed or wounded. Will metal detectors work, maybe, but certainly not as a stand alone prevention. Restricting legal gun owners isn't the answer. We pay enough in taxes that's "supposed" to go to education, infrastructure and roads etc., we can use it wisely and protect our children in school. I'd rather see a school resource officer at the front door with a C8, one that won't run in the other direction when the sh*t hits the fan rather than arming a teacher. As for MEC, it is their choice and like many have already said it's also our choice not to support them, I haven't been in one for years so really they won't miss my business any more then they already have.

http://time.com/5168272/how-many-school-shootings/
 
sigshooter said:
to prevent something that happens once every 10-20 years in the country - VinnyQC

Media is reporting 22 School shootings in 2018 alone and upwards of 290 (Everytownresearch.org) since Sandy Hook in 2012 but they have no distinct criteria and include everything from accidental discharges, after hours fights in the parking lot to suicides outside of school hours. Time.com set some parameters to complete their study and they have the list at 63 school shootings in 5 years with 145 children or adults killed or wounded. In Canada we've had 9 school shootings ranging from University to Daycare in Canada since 1975 with 49 children or adults killed or wounded. Will metal detectors work, maybe, but certainly not as a stand alone prevention. Restricting legal gun owners isn't the answer. We pay enough in taxes that's "supposed" to go to education, infrastructure and roads etc., we can use it wisely and protect our children in school. I'd rather see a school resource officer at the front door with a C8, one that won't run in the other direction when the sh*t hits the fan rather than arming a teacher. As for MEC, it is their choice and like many have already said it's also our choice not to support them, I haven't been in one for years so really they won't miss my business any more then they already have.

http://time.com/5168272/how-many-school-shootings/
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Articulate and accurate, nicely said!
 
sigshooter said:
to prevent something that happens once every 10-20 years in the country - VinnyQC

Media is reporting 22 School shootings in 2018 alone and upwards of 290 (Everytownresearch.org) since Sandy Hook in 2012 but they have no distinct criteria and include everything from accidental discharges, after hours fights in the parking lot to suicides outside of school hours. Time.com set some parameters to complete their study and they have the list at 63 school shootings in 5 years with 145 children or adults killed or wounded. In Canada we've had 9 school shootings ranging from University to Daycare in Canada since 1975 with 49 children or adults killed or wounded. Will metal detectors work, maybe, but certainly not as a stand alone prevention. Restricting legal gun owners isn't the answer. We pay enough in taxes that's "supposed" to go to education, infrastructure and roads etc., we can use it wisely and protect our children in school. I'd rather see a school resource officer at the front door with a C8, one that won't run in the other direction when the sh*t hits the fan rather than arming a teacher. As for MEC, it is their choice and like many have already said it's also our choice not to support them, I haven't been in one for years so really they won't miss my business any more then they already have.

http://time.com/5168272/how-many-school-shootings/
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I was talking about canada. "in the country." meant "in canada". My memory is far from perfect, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the last school shooting was Dawson's college in 2006, so 12 years ago. 9 shootings since 1975 makes it every 5 years or so.

Throw the millions it would cost for metal detectors or armed guards at road safety or heart disease prevention and you'll save a lot more than 49 lives over ~50 years.
 
To be honest I had the incorrect stats in regards to Canadian school shootings, turns out the first one occurred in 1884 winding up with the shooter killing himself and wounding a teacher. Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to correct anyone but if we're going to talk about school shootings and make comparisons we should probably have the numbers. I admit I've never looked into the numbers until today and it's surprised me how far back they go. Incidentally there has been 6 school shootings since Dawson's College, 4 in Toronto, 1 in Gatineau (daycare) and the most recent one was in 2016 in LaLoche, Saskatchewan. In regards to road safety we have a lot going on there as well as with heart disease prevention, in the form of yearly road closures for repair, pot hole repair, safety devices and I think a ton of money spent on education and commercials towards drinking and driving, speeding, seat belts, child seats, tires and enforcement, the list goes on. Diet and exercise, how much was spent to put AED's in arena's, department stores, libraries and that list goes on too.

Ask one parent who's lost a child to anything let alone a school shooting and I'm certain the answer will always be the same, no amount of money will bring back my child but the right ounce of prevention would have given them a chance. Children are our future, any one of those victims could have done amazing things......cured cancer, cured heart disease....we'll never know but shouldn't we do everything in our power to keep them safe and ensure they get the chance to cure cancer?
 
I'm disappointed at the short-sightedness and lack of comprehensive understanding by the liberal/ lefty/ city folk who claim to be the enlightened ones.

I will withdraw my support for MEC by not shopping there. The connection they made between vista and the potential for violence is awfully tenuous to be basing their decision on.

ALSO who is buying optics from MEC anyways? If i remember right, they don't have anything above entry level stuff. Who buys $75 binoculars?
 
MEC has the right to chose which products to sell and I will defend that right just as any Canadian has the right to not shop there anymore and I will defend that right as well. I have given up my membership but that's just my way of supporting Canadian industry. I heard this from a friend and it makes allot of sense, I think families have to get together an talk to their children about singling out the few different children at school, they need to sit with them at lunch, walk with them from class to class or just talk to them from time to time. They do not have to be touchy feely or become best friends with these kids but when you start isolating them and taunting them in front of your friends to become more popular you start a slow burn in their guts and at some point its going to blow up.
As far as metal detectors and security personnel are concerned, that young Sherriff that was on site really did not help the situation, remember "there is no security from a determined enemy"
 
VinnyQC said:
MEC will gain or keep 10 times the business they will lose with that decision. For all intent and purpose, all the business they're gonna lose are people who expressed themselves on CGN. Keep in mind that CGN is a microcosm that is not in any way representative of the general canadian population.

As for metal detector, it's almost as bad an idea as arming teachers. Not only schools will end up resembling prisons, but metal detectors would have 0 effectiveness to prevent a shooter like the one in florida or the sandy hook shooter. And they're not exactly cheap, it would cost millions to equip schools that are literally crumbling due to lack of funds, all to prevent something that happens once every 10-20 years in the country.

Not impressed by the cssa right now. I was hoping for something about 10-22 magazines.
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7 out of 30 teachers with concealed carry wouldn't make any school look like a prison.
 
As for Canada what do we stand for? In the interest of political correctness we approve of everything lest we hurt someones feelings and so cowering ,we stand for nothing.Public officials ,athletes and celebrities abuse their position to cater to special interest groups that don't reflect the common interest of the typical Canadian and in some cases wish to destroy us and our way of living.Those that do stand up are labelled racist or intolerant.I don't recognize what my own country has become in the last 40 years .My ancestors who served in the military and built this country would be disgusted as their time ,hard work and lives were wasted only to be given away to those unworthy.
 
MEC will not be getting ANY future business from me. I highly considered buying a $1500+ road bike from them last year, however I decided to purchase the bicycle from the Trek factory store in London instead. I am glad I made the right choice.
 
I emailed MEC:

Hi there - I would like to know if MEC is also going to cease selling any GPS enabled devices?


Since GPS was created by the US government specifically for war and is run by the United States Air Force I think it is inappropriate for MEC to be selling products of war.



In 2016 alone the air force dropped 26,171 bombs in seven countries and GPS enabled this carnage to occur.



If MEC is going to continue to deal in technology created for war then please advise how I can cancel my membership.



Member 1234567,



Thanks

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Their reply:

Hello xyz,

We are not planning on dropping GPS devices.

We regret that you are disappointed with the path we have chosen. As mentioned in the open letter from our CEO, we will continue to engage with these brands as well as our peers in the outdoor industry in North America in ways that are consistent with our mission and values.

If you would like to withdraw your membership you will find a link to the withdrawal form here. We require your written authorization and signature in order to close your membership. Please return the completed withdrawal form to us by email to info@mec.ca, by fax to 1-800-722-1960, or by mail to the address below.

If you have any questions about the form or the withdrawal process, please don't hesitate to contact us.

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Here is the form you need:

https://rq5862jalnt2ow16l1brj575-wp...t/uploads/2016/07/MEC_Withdrawal_Transfer.pdf

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As far as MEC having the right to do it.. as someone else mentioned, it is a co-op

The definition of a co-op:

https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/693.nsf/eng/h_00073.html#faq

Who owns and controls a co-operative?
A co-operative is both an association of members and an enterprise. The enterprise is essentially owned by the association of members who, based on the principle of “one member, one vote,” have only one vote. Members can vote for the board of directors or delegates from the membership and other important business decisions.

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So MEC is owned by the members.. if 1% of the membership went on the change.org site that means 99% didn't.. and of the 50,000 people that went there, how many were actually members.

I also don't believe ethically a 'private company' can do whatever they want... That is all fine and dandy when there are alternate choices and when their decisions line up with yours.. but look at Google / Youtube - there isn't really an equal alternative (Google has 75% of market share of search).

Also, as Stephen Crowder once said on the issue of private companies being able to do whatever they want, "bake the cake, bigot" (a private company has the right to do whatever they want unless it includes not making a ### wedding cake.. and the baker was happy to make them a cake or anything they wanted, he just didn't want to decorate it as a union between two men)
 
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