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mobusten said:
7 out of 30 teachers with concealed carry wouldn't make any school look like a prison.
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Terrible idea. The last thing needed in those situations is more lead sent airborne by individuals with marginal training. Unless you’re advocating training teachers to the same level as ERT, TRU, ETF, etc I’m not onboard. Given that teachers don’t even receive sufficient school supplies here or in the US.......


As was pointed out earlier, given the social climate it was a brilliant business move. Free publicity and for every pro-gun guy that just bailed they probably got two anti’s in their pocket. A good number of moderate gun owners who believe in gun control will also continue to shop there. Like it or not it was a very smart business decision by the CEO.
 
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Nowara said:
MEC has every right to do this.
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That doesn't mean they are right. As a member of MEC, I have canceled my membership and I will soon be receiving my monies. I have publicly stated I will forward those monies to Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights (CCFR) and I will add to that amount. MEC can pound sand.
 
You lost me at the metal detector thing. What is being missed here is what drives someone to commit such an act? As for MEC, it seems they are merely using this tragic event for their own personal PR gain
 
mobusten said:
7 out of 30 teachers with concealed carry wouldn't make any school look like a prison.
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1-Metal detectors will, and that's what I wrote, please read before replying to imaginary comments.
2-Out of the 100 or so teachers I've had in my life, I wouldn't trust a single one with a gun, let alone 25-30% of them. This is just ridiculous. Most teachers don't even know which kid talked behind them and end up punishing the wrong kid for talking during class.
 
TT1900 said:
Terrible idea. The last thing needed in those situations is more lead sent airborne by individuals with marginal training. Unless you’re advocating training teachers to the same level as ERT, TRU, ETF, etc I’m not onboard. Given that teachers don’t even receive sufficient school supplies here or in the US.......


As was pointed out earlier, given the social climate it was a brilliant business move. Free publicity and for every pro-gun guy that just bailed they probably got two anti’s in their pocket. A good number of moderate gun owners who believe in gun control will also continue to shop there. Like it or not it was a very smart business decision by the CEO.
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Even with training, a lot of civilians get shot during simulations, and that's when the stakes (and stress level) aren't as high as in a real situation.

The truth is a simple door that can be locked from the inside can deter shooters better than metal detectors and weapons-carrying teachers. And it costs less. And it's invisible to the naked eye.

If we're gonna train teachers for emergency situation, it should be for first aids or something like that, which can be useful during/after a shooting, but also in many more situations. But really, one fire drill a year is already in question in many schools, it's not realistic to ask most teachers to train for combat.
 
A local Ottawa competitor for MEC, Bushtukah, has joined in on discontinuing the sale of the same brands. We'll see how many other retailers join in on the bandwagon.
 
I cancelled my 30+ yr membership and wrote an email. I hope many others do the same.
Im under no illusion that this will bankrupt MEC. Not the point. The point is to speak up.
And to help make MEC send out as many $5 cheques as possible.
 
“The outcry from MEC members stemmed from VISTA Outdoor’s ownership of Savage Arms; which manufacturers modern sporting arms. In Canada, we have a very stringent firearms culture and regulatory environment and while these firearms are available in Canada, they are classified as restricted, requiring extensive training and background checks to obtain a license, and fire one bullet at a time from a magazine limited to five rounds. In practical terms, they are no more dangerous in Canada than a typical hunting rifle”

While i respect the gun orgs, comments like this do not help our cause. You cannot hope to exploit “loopholes” and then pretend that they don’t exist in the next sentence. We are all well aware that 10rd pistol mags are easily available for the AR15. Don’t try to pretend otherwise. This is similar to the CCFR pretenting that FA parts aren’t available in Canada. Quit bull####ting and just state the facts.
 
Speak up, by all means, but don’t get offended/aggressive/angry when there are opposing views. To be clear, I’m not accusing you of doing so bcbravo2zero. I’m surprised that this thread has remained civil overall to be honest.

I support what MEC is doing as it is not anti-firearm but pro-gun control & anti-NRA. I agree with gun control and think we in Canada have found a very healthy balance now that the long-gun registry is gone. Are there some things I find arbitrary and silly, absolutely (barrel length with no consideration to overall gun length in handguns), but overall I like the balance we have. Do I believe gun control prevents violent crime, not a chance as that’s cultural, but what it does do is push education thereby influencing culture. The CEO of MEC, if you read through the interview, is pro-gun provided reasonable controls are in place.

As to the NRA, I have lost all respect for that organization. They used to be a top shelf grass-roots educator, organizer, and sanctioning body. As their specific shooting sports have lost popularity and attendance has shrunk they’ve evolved into an industry lobbyist group first and everything else second. The leadership is opposed to any open discussion of gun control and goes to great lengths to prevent non-conforming ideas from taking root. If enough companies pull Vista’s products then Vista may stop supporting the NRA; do that enough and the NRA is forced to evolve.

I realize that mine may be a minority view in this forum. I also respect the views and actions of others who disagree as long as they are presented in a civilized manner.
 
Some good points TT1900, for sure. I certainly disagree with much of what the nra does too. I also agree that a stringent licensing system like ours is a decent way to vet out those who shouldn’t have a gun.
But, the CEO of MEC hardly pro-gun. He’s a Fudd. He’s certainly guilty of pushing the fiction of the danger of “assault rifles” in civilian hands. In the interview he agrees that all such guns should be banned.
And it’s all just corporate posturing.
 
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mbogo3 said:
As for Canada what do we stand for? In the interest of political correctness we approve of everything lest we hurt someones feelings and so cowering ,we stand for nothing.Public officials ,athletes and celebrities abuse their position to cater to special interest groups that don't reflect the common interest of the typical Canadian and in some cases wish to destroy us and our way of living.Those that do stand up are labelled racist or intolerant.I don't recognize what my own country has become in the last 40 years .My ancestors who served in the military and built this country would be disgusted as their time ,hard work and lives were wasted only to be given away to those unworthy.
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Well said. I couldn't agree more.
 
mbogo3 said:
As for Canada what do we stand for? In the interest of political correctness we approve of everything lest we hurt someones feelings and so cowering ,we stand for nothing.Public officials ,athletes and celebrities abuse their position to cater to special interest groups that don't reflect the common interest of the typical Canadian and in some cases wish to destroy us and our way of living.Those that do stand up are labelled racist or intolerant.I don't recognize what my own country has become in the last 40 years .My ancestors who served in the military and built this country would be disgusted as their time ,hard work and lives were wasted only to be given away to those unworthy.
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Well said
 
TT1900 said:
Terrible idea. The last thing needed in those situations is more lead sent airborne by individuals with marginal training. Unless you’re advocating training teachers to the same level as ERT, TRU, ETF, etc I’m not onboard. Given that teachers don’t even receive sufficient school supplies here or in the US.......


As was pointed out earlier, given the social climate it was a brilliant business move. Free publicity and for every pro-gun guy that just bailed they probably got two anti’s in their pocket. A good number of moderate gun owners who believe in gun control will also continue to shop there. Like it or not it was a very smart business decision by the CEO.
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The shooter likely doesn't have much training either.....
 
MEC has the choice to do whatever the hell they want, but as a consumer I have choices as well. I make the ultimate choice with my wallet and I now choose not to support MEC with my money.
 
A cancelled membership is fine, but it's a cancelled voice.

Coops are controlled by the members, If every gun owner bought a membership, then voted for pro-gun directors in a couple of years who controls the direction of the coop? Who controls appointment of the next CEO?

Food for though.

Cheers
 
VinnyQC said:
I was talking about canada. "in the country." meant "in canada". My memory is far from perfect, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the last school shooting was Dawson's college in 2006, so 12 years ago. 9 shootings since 1975 makes it every 5 years or so.

Throw the millions it would cost for metal detectors or armed guards at road safety or heart disease prevention and you'll save a lot more than 49 lives over ~50 years.
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I think the La Loche shooting in SK was2 years ago.
 
TSE_Sales said:
The shooter likely doesn't have much training either.....
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Doesn’t need to. The shooter in a scenario like this is out for maximum damage in a short time frame. They will generally focus on targets of opportunity and will not discriminate. Meanwhile the good guys have to act rapidly while picking out a single target from within hundreds or thousands of other people, most panicked, and be able to neutralize the threat with minimal collateral damage.

Long story short, it’s much easier to be the bad guy.
 
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