A summary of 5.56 / 7.62x39 Black NR Rifle Options and Prices (Dec 2024)

Janeau said:
Making a list of what is not prohib is stupid. Only an idiot will think it’s not. It have absolutely no use. The new shooters just have to take their info directly from dealers on what is avail or not. They are better informed than any joe shooter here.

Thinking info provided have no use for the antis is greatly underestimating the enemy.
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I take it you campaigned vigorously against the use of phonebooks and dictionaries then? I mean you can just call up the phone company and the library to find the right information.

Your comment is one of my favorites, in the space of three sentences you suggest that anyone can find out all the information I have published then rage against the existance of said information in a post while warning that "the enemy" must not be underestimated....because apparently the information available to any and all new shooters is somehow not available to these highly capable "enemies" you warn of.

I mean crikey how do you remember to breath?
 
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the radium king said:
strange - with the mini 14 on the ban list, there is no longer a semi-auto in 223 that will work with a normal stock - all are bullpop or pistol grip. perhaps an hk 630 or sl6 if you can find one.
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Two that i can think of that are NR:
The MR1 in a comfortech stock
Conventional Su16s
 
the radium king said:
strange - with the mini 14 on the ban list, there is no longer a semi-auto in 223 that will work with a normal stock - all are bullpop or pistol grip. perhaps an hk 630 or sl6 if you can find one.
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I Guess that what depends on what you mean by normal.

Do you consider the monte carlo stock normal?

Benelli MR1? The telescoping pistol grip stock is standard for the 'tactical', but they do make a monte carlo as well.
Ares SCR?
 
Bratwurst said:
Why does having a fixed stock matter to you so much?
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wow, i guess i have to justify asking a question about availability of semi-automatic rifles in an availability of semi-automatic rifles thread. sorry about the omission, but thanks for making it personal.

how's this for an answer - AR-style stocks make for a high cheek weld which requires tall sights and or optics. if the rifle doesn't have a need for a buffer tube then why have one? pistol grips were designed to be able to better control recoil in full auto / rapid fire. if a person doesn't have need for that then why have it? hence the question, but i'll get out of this thread now and leave you to argue with the censors instead.
 
the radium king said:
...pistol grips were designed to be able to better control recoil in full auto / rapid fire. if a person doesn't have need for that then why have it?...
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Ever notice how many precision long range bolt action target rifles have pistol grips, or vertical grips? Stability and control is important in these non-military completely civilian competition rifles.
 
the radium king said:
wow, i guess i have to justify asking a question about availability of semi-automatic rifles in an availability of semi-automatic rifles thread. sorry about the omission, but thanks for making it personal.

how's this for an answer - AR-style stocks make for a high cheek weld which requires tall sights and or optics. if the rifle doesn't have a need for a buffer tube then why have one? pistol grips were designed to be able to better control recoil in full auto / rapid fire. if a person doesn't have need for that then why have it? hence the question, but i'll get out of this thread now and leave you to argue with the censors instead.
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I was asking to try and understand the context behind the question.

If instead of raging you'd just told me I could have pointed out that for example some AR15 stock attachments allow for non-ar rifles to angle the stocks downward which reduces the issue you mentioned.
 
Love the info, ever thought about doing subs of pistols/pcc? Would love to see an ipsc based one on where to start off, upgrade or find great gear that is either buy once, cry once/something cheap so I can shoot.
 
DoubleTapDiabetus said:
Love the info, ever thought about doing subs of pistols/pcc? Would love to see an ipsc based one on where to start off, upgrade or find great gear that is either buy once, cry once/something cheap so I can shoot.
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Pistols would be insanely varied, just think about how many types of Glock there are, let alone 1911 variants.

With a bit of help I might give PCCs a go. Right now I've made two summaries and am updating them monthly. A third, well it's doable but I have never owned or really even used a PCC. Nothing I've done is special it just requires clear writing, linking to sources and reading. There's nothing to stop anyone else doing it.
 
Bratwurst said:
August update added
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I just wanted to say thanks for putting this list together... as a new RPAL holder in a post-ban world, this was a great resource. I managed to find a local shop that had a WK180C in stock yesterday and picked it up. I'm very excited to be a new owner. Can't wait to get to a range.
 
the radium king said:
how's this for an answer - AR-style stocks make for a high cheek weld which requires tall sights and or optics. if the rifle doesn't have a need for a buffer tube then why have one?
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You touched on pistol grips, which I think most people also find more comfortable, but there's a number of other reasons as well. "In-Line construction" - where the barrel is in line with the stock, also significantly improves felt recoil, even with a single shot. A dropped fix stock creates a pivot point that rocks the rifle up on recoil, while an in-line stock kicks the rifle straight back.
The tall sights of the AR10/AR15 I think were even a military requirement that happened to line up well with other factors. The sights being higher above the barrel helped mitigate heat haze that can disrupt your sight picture.

Google "biathalon rifle." What do you see? Pistol grips and in-line stocks. There's gotta be something to it, right?

The reason why you're seeing so few traditional stocks is because they don't offer any advantage other than "you can get really low iron sights so you don't have to worry as much about weird holds at extreme close range" - which is something that has become nearly irrelevant, now that everyone is using optics. So the market for them has narrowed to people who want a traditional stock for the aesthetic - hunting rifles designed to look inoffensive, that sort of thing. The whole point of the MR-1 and Mini-14 was to give you a 5.56 semi that looked inoffensive to legislators and hunters. It only kinda-works, as we've seen.
 
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