A Tale of Two Savages...

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"A Tale of Two Savages"

Not all Savage rimfires are created equal as I recently discovered.

I recently acquired a Savage Mk 2 BV from Wholesale Sports back in January. I have been looking for one of these rifles for close to a year now and finally located one when I had the funds to buy one.

I was quite looking forward to taking it out for the first time to try out a variety of different ammo that had proved accurate in my Mk2 BV that I purchased a couple of years ago. So, I finally made it to the range last week with it. What a great disappointment it was. The best accuracy I got was 3" 10-shot groups @ 50 yds. with CCI Stingers, CCI Mini-Mags, and Winchester X-Pert ammunition.Some ammo literally patterned like a shotgun! 10-shot groups literally measured in feet - not inches.

So, a bit deflated I went home and tried to see if anything obvious was wrong. I thoroughly cleaned the barrel and noticed flakes of lead build-up comming out of the barrel as I swabbed the bore with solvent. This obviously wasn't a good sign but I didn't want to make any assumptions that the barrel was at fault.

I took the barrelled action out of the stock and re-tightened the action screws. I thoroughly cleaned the barrel and noticed flakes of lead build-up comming out of the barrel as I swabbed the bore with solvent. I checked the scope rings and bases for tightness and everything was fine there. I know the scope is fine because it resided on my Mk2 BV for a few years and there have been no issues with it.

I re-visited the range today with the FV-SR, hoping that by tightening everything up and re-installing the scope & bases, I had eliminated the acuracy issues I was having. I took my Mk2 BV along for the ride to get a head-to-head acuracy comparisson against the FV-SR.

It was a cool day, approximately 9 deg. C and the wind was steady and at times brisk with gusts at times that had to be near 25km/hr.

Well, I had no luck on improving the accuracy of the riflle by cleaning and re-installing/tightening everything. I fired 50-shots of Winchester Dynapoints ot of the FV-SR (below) and achieved a level of accuracy I never knew possible with a rimfire. Absolutely abismal performance.

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Now, I was anxious to try my tried and true Mk2 BV to get a comparisson. I fired (50) consecutive shots of (3) different ammo that has been accurate for me in the past. I didn't use Dynapoints in the Mk2 BV for one simple reason. The BV is notoriously finicky extracting spent cases of a variety of ammo including Dynapoints. I can't go (5) rounds before I have to push the cases out with a cleaning rod and that my friends is a complete drag.

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First was Federal 710, a 40gr. copper plated RN bullet. I'ts the most accurate ammo I've fired to date from the rifle and it shows. The horizontal dispersion was 2.115" and the vertical 1.017". It had the best vertical numbers of the bunch.

Second, came Federal 510 which is the lead version of 710. It's accuracy closely mirrored the 710, though I had a number of flyers that I hadn't experienced in the past with 710. It's horizontal measured 2.593" and its vertical 1.872". If it weren't for the flyers I suspect the accuracy numbers would have been much better.

Lastly, was CCI Standard Velocity. It's a 40gr. lead RN bullet similar to the Federal 510. It had the best horizontal dispersion of 2.048". It's vertical was 1.602" If it weren't for a few flyers, I think it would have the best of the bunch.

Overall, the Federal 710 was most consistent ammo of the (3). Unfortunately, I don't know if Federal is producing it anymore as Canadian Tire is no longer carrying it. When they were selling the last of it on store shelves, I went to at least (4) different CT locations to buy all they had. I have less than a thousand at this point and it won't last long.

As you can suspect, the FV-SR is going to find its way back to Savage for warranty repair. I'm all but certain there's issues with either the chamber or the rifling itself. Either way, it's been a disappointment so far. If by any chance Savage won't honour their warranty, I may re-barrel or just shoot it as it is. If that happens, I'll no doubt hate pulling the trigger on every round knowing it should have been right to begin with.
 
Wow. Thats pretty sad shooting for a Savage. Take a Q-Tip and gently spin it around inside the muzzle crown area and then have a real good look, with a magnifying glass. Crown might be hooped.
 
Those rounds seem to be key-holing...

I believe that to be correct. Watching the bullets leave the barrel and "hook" or "slice" their way to the target was kind of a surreal thing to watch. One round would go one way, then the next somewhere else. No (2) consuctive fired rounds had the same point of impact. It was truly FUBAR to say the least.

Somethings just not right there. Did you tighten the scope mounts, or the action screw located in front of the mag on bottom side of the forestock?

As already idicated - yes.
 
You should e-mail or call savage and show them the target.

They actually have very good customer service with a drive for accuracy. I had a 22-250 12fv once that was strange from the factory and not only did they replace it but they offerd to even up grade it.

Still sorry to hear about your .22, ide ask if you tried any other ammo like blazer but looking at your target,,,,,, i dout it would matter.

like i said, contact Savage. They are still a good company.
 
Wow. I have firsthand experience with that exact model as my brother in law just purchased one three weeks ago. I would say that yours definitely has an issue with the bore or the crown judging by the shape of the hole the bullet is making. Just for your info the bro in law’s FV-SR can shoot .75” at 100m so I would say you need to get a hold of WSS or Savage and figure out what the issue is.
I have to ask did you clean the bore before you started shooting and if so could there be a possibility that you may have damaged the crown or gored the bore?
 
You should e-mail or call savage and show them the target.

They actually have very good customer service with a drive for accuracy. I had a 22-250 12fv once that was strange from the factory and not only did they replace it but they offerd to even up grade it.

Still sorry to hear about your .22, ide ask if you tried any other ammo like blazer but looking at your target,,,,,, i dout it would matter.

like i said, contact Savage. They are still a good company.

I have no doubt Savage will make good on their warranty. Here's the thing for me. This is my 3rd. brand new Savage over the last 10 years or so. I bought (1) 112 FV and the (2) rimfires mentioned here in this thread. All of them has had issues right out of the box. None of them were dependable as a result.

I seem to give the impression to members on this site that I don't like Savages, especially on the "Precision Rifle" forum. My sig line and sometimes colourful commentary would certainly lead one to draw that conclusion. However, that's not the case seeing that I keep buying them. Having said that, I think this will likley be my last Savage purchase in general but for sure the last Savage rimfire I will own.

I did try CCI Blazer by the way. It produced 10-shot groups that were around 4" @ 50 yards. It was one of the near dozen types of ammo I tested on my initial outting.


Wow. I have firsthand experience with that exact model as my brother in law just purchased one three weeks ago. I would say that yours definitely has an issue with the bore or the crown judging by the shape of the hole the bullet is making. Just for your info the bro in law’s FV-SR can shoot .75” at 100m so I would say you need to get a hold of WSS or Savage and figure out what the issue is.
I have to ask did you clean the bore before you started shooting and if so could there be a possibility that you may have damaged the crown or gored the bore?

Your experience shooting .75" @ 100m would far exceed my expectations of any Savage or Lakefield rimfire I have ever used by a "long shot". Pardon the pun...;) What ammo are you using to accomplish such a feat? I wanna buy lots of it to try.

Yes, of course I cleaned the bore before taking it to the range. And no, I did not damage the bore or crown by cleaning it.
 
It sounds like that Savage is having an identity crisis... it thinks it's a Remington.

I currently own (6) Rem 700's and have never had accuracy issues with any of them. Admittedly, it's apples to oranges as I've never owned a Rem. rimfire before and not likely will ever do so.
 
I currently own (6) Rem 700's and have never had accuracy issues with any of them. Admittedly, it's apples to oranges as I've never owned a Rem. rimfire before and not likely will ever do so.

I have owned a Remington rimfire and as a result of that, and other horror stories I have heard from first hand victims, I will never own another Remington product. Well, at least not one that was made in the last 15 years.
 
That's bizarre. I don't think I'd put another shot down the pipe on that dud of a rifle, call Savage and/or take it back to where you bought it.

I've never had a bad Savage, currently have a .22WMR (93FV) and a .223 (Precison 10 Carbine)..but have had an HMR/and older .22lr, etc. I haven't had cause to contact them about a problem, but wouldn't hesitate to do so.
 
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The first thing I would do is take the rifle, along with the target, back to WSS and ask for a replacement rifle. You might even take a box of ammo along with you, and invite them to fire the rifle themselves to confirm the condition.

If WSS refuses to replace the rifle, then Savage should be contacted, giving all the pertinent information. I have found that Savage tends to pay attention to any of these problems.

This is unacceptable accuracy, and the bullets are definitely keyholing on target.
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What kind of scope is on the FV-SR? its not one of those leupold Knock offs is it? , either way I think I would try a different scope on the FV-SR before I would say it is the gun ...............
 
The scope is good enough that he was able to see the bullets "slicing" on their way to the target. He even said the scope was a proven quantity. Plus, the bullets are keyholing.

I've had a couple of new guns over the years that exhibited this kind of complete inability to shoot. One of those was a Savage, and they corrected the problem, through the dealer, by immediately replacing the rifle...and this was in the days of the registry, when replacing the gun was a PITA from a paperwork/legal standpoint. I'm confident they will look after you.
 
What kind of scope is on the FV-SR? its not one of those leupold Knock offs is it? , either way I think I would try a different scope on the FV-SR before I would say it is the gun ...............

The scope is fine. I took it off the Mk2 BV shown in my first post. It was just as good if not better than the Falcon that I replaced it with.
 
As others have said, it sounds like there might be damage to the crown - this type of problem, from what I've read, is common on damaged-crown rifles (regardless of brand).

As a means of simple corroboration, try looking at the gas-formed corona at the muzzle (the residue left around the crown at the muzzle). If it doesn't appear absolutely symmetrical (i.e., gases are not exiting evenly, and pushing the bullets in various directions as they leave the barrel) , there is likely crown damage. If the rifle is new, Savage will probably replace the rifle, as they have very good customer relations.

If the rifle is not new (i.e., not on any kind of warranty), and it shows crown irregularities, any gunsmith can re-crown a rifle very easily & quickly (many people do it themselves, successfully). Lots of info on this on Youtube & RimfireCentral.

I hope you get this sorted soon! (I love my new Savage MkII - it's proving to be both accurate and, more importantly, consistent).

Good luck!
 
I love Savage....well, let me clarify - I really want to love Savage. However, the last two I have bought have had major issues (functional, not just aesthetic). My brother bought the 116 a few months ago, and the barrel wasn't threaded - seriously. No clue what is going on over there - but they need some quality assurance pdq.
 
I wasn't implying that you did damage your bore but accidents do happen. I use CCI standard velocity and Fiocchi cn22 LSP but weigh it for competition shooting. Even unweighed it will shoot the tops off of push pins (thumb tacks) at 50m and the only mods I've done is a Boyd's target rimfire stock. No bedding or trigger work or anything.
Sorry for your luck but of we're me I'd go back to WSS with the target and demand a new rifle or at least an exchange for store credit. It's time they start to warranty the products they sell.
 
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