A ton of shots shell reloading

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I was given a ton of shot shell reloading equipment.

I’m overwhelmed, I don’t know where to start.

I’m starting to take stock and organize.

4 presses,hulls,wads,shot and all else needed to make a shell.


I reload rifle and just getting into 9mm.

Are shotshells easier or more difficult than rifle cartridges?

Any good resources (YouTube) to watch so I can learn?

I can kind of understand the Hornady 366 but the other machine Duomatic 375 is overwhelming.
 
Easier than metallic reloading imho. If you’ve been given shot, hulls, etc, worth it to reload target shotshells, otherwise to buy components to make target shells usually isn’t worthwhile. If you make buckshot and slugs, totally worth it for me as it can be cheaper and you can make better quality from what I have found. It helps if you make your own buckshot and slugs though as they can be expensive.

I enjoy making buckshot and slug loads, great fun and a challenge to get the best loads. If you want a good YouTube for them I would recommend Bubba Rountree Outdoors and Fortune cookie 45lc. Also the Lyman Shotshell manual is great.
 
Once you get the 366 going, you can crank out thousands of shells. We've found that Winchester AAs can be reloaded up to ten times (and counting). Remington Gun Clubs work well too but don't last as long. Federals need a different wad.

Switching from 12 to 20 gauge on a 366 is possible but it's a pain getting everything readjusted.

It sounds like you already have lots of components.
 
I reload rifle and just getting into 9mm.

Are shotshells easier or more difficult than rifle cartridges?

Shotshells are probably easier.

The biggest difference between reloading shotshell and metallic cartridges is that with shotshell, experimentation is officially strongly discouraged. Every supplier will tell you to find a recipe in a book, and follow it exactly, no substituted components, no working up loads.

Obviously for that idea to work one must have a good library of recipes to work with, and for that the Lyman Shotshell Reloading Handbook is the best, bar none. Though there are other sources out there.

Youtube is probably okay so you can see things like how die adjustments affect crimp, shell length and taper, but that's probably about it.

How much shot did you receive? Conventional wisdom for the last many years has been that shot is so expensive, it doesn't make sense to reload target rounds if you have to pay retail price for the shot. If all you shoot is 7-1/2 target rounds, but you only got a couple bags of shot, it might not even be worth learning the process.
 
Start with the PW 375. It’s the Cadillac of single stage presses. You just move the hull from one station to the next.I wish I would never have sold mine. The 366 is a very good press but is not easy to set up and master especially if you are new to shot shot shell reloading. Enjoy and good haul on your part in this day and age of $$! If you were closer I’d certainly give you a hand getting things set up.
 
I have two 366’s
One in 12 the other in 20

Two other machines as well. I will concentrate on learning the 366 loaders

Several bags of hulls
Green Remington Peters stamped and silver Winchester AA stamped
 
Like others have said shotshell is different from mellitic i the sense that you follow a "recipe" from the load data your using. Primer , powder wad and shot. Helps too achieve a proper column height inside the hull for a good non dished or bulged hull after crimping. Check your load data follow the "Recipe" and after adjusting the crimp your good to go.
 
BEFORE you go down the rabbit hole, research the cost of components vs the cost of loaded ammo, especially when it is on sale.

I have a MEC600 and have been loading shot shells for close to 20 years. However today with the cost of primers, powder and shot, it is not cheaper to hand load your own ammo. You will make the same amount for the same cost, but with the addition of a bunch of your time .... for free.

The only time shot shell reloading makes any sense today, is if you want to do slugs or buckshot.
 
I’d say

60lbs #4
40lbs #7 1/2
5lbs #6

10lbs #8 & #9

I will be interested to hear what more experienced shooters have to say - I remember the days when the #4 and #6 lead shot would be used on waterfowl - no longer allowed. I notice the local skeet/trap club allows up to 7 1/2 shot as the largest allowed - so the bags of #5 lead shot that I have, really have not much reason - maybe later season pheasant or similar?

I am not sure how used to Imperial measurements that you are - is 16 ounces in a pound - if you load 1 ounce target loads, then you will get 16 rounds per pound of shot. Or 160 rounds from 10 pounds. If you load 1 1/8 ounce loads, then about 14 rounds per pound or 142 rounds from 10 pounds. I understand it is not unusual to go through 50 or 100 shots per day when trap/skeet shooting - so the amount of shot that you list may not really last that long for that kind of thing, but I have never done it, so I do not actually know. If you are like me, is a pretty busy grouse season to fire 25 rounds.
 
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That's a whole new world of reloading, have fun!
The reloaders you got are great.

The PW375 looks overwhelming but is actually very simple, each station does one thing at a time where as on the 366 everything happens at the same time so that will save you a huge amount of handle cranking.
The 375 is better for making various different loads in smaller batches and the 366 is better for higher volume and cranking out a few boxes pretty fast.

Manuals can be found online for both 375 and 366
Did it come with books? Lyman has the most common shotshell reloading book

The 375 and 366 use the same powder and shot bushings, hope you have those as well as you need them.
 
I’d say

60lbs #4
40lbs #7 1/2
5lbs #6

10lbs #8 & #9

If you are a regular upland game hunter, maybe you can find a use for that #4 and #6. I know that if I was in your shoes, the #7.5 and 8 would be the only ones of value to me for shotgunning. The rest I would probably melt into pistol bullets.

With the quantities of shot you have, I would be tempted to pick the press that looked the simplest, figure it out, and load it up and be done with it. The amount of shot you have could all be loaded into ammunition in one afternoon.

Presses like the Hornady/Pacific 366 were intended for people who shoot targets regularly. These people routinely fire over 100 shells per week, in fact 300 or 400 is not unusual. Needless to say, they count on using hundreds of pounds of shot in a year.
 
If you are just starting to reload for shotgun, as has been mentioned - is not like centre-fire rifle - is NO "working up" loads - most all books say to find a pressure tested recipe and follow it exactly - there looks like thousands of pressure tested loads published - and, no substitutions of any component. I notice some loadings information show 5000 psi difference by changing brand of primer. Appears to be about no correlation between pressure and velocity, if you swap components. I have only loaded a few hundred rounds for my 28 gauges - so take my suggestions with "grain of salt" - there are others who claim to know and understand which components can be swapped, but I do not know that, so I do not generally do that - I find a pressure tested recipe and I follow that exactly - brand for brand, size for size. About only exceptions that I can think of, is that I have wads from BPI that are sold as direct replacement for a particular Winchester wad that is no longer made (or at least not easy to get here in Manitoba) - but that W-W wad is called for in various recipes. I was also led to believe that 28 gauge Challenger hulls are actually Cheddite hulls - so I use them interchangeably - rightly or wrongly.

For reloading shot shells, you will normally need a hull, a primer, a powder, a wad and shot. A very few recipes call for an over-shot or over-powder cards (nitro cards), but I do not think those are "usual". Recipes will tell you what brand and size hull, what brand and size primer, what brand and size of wad, what brand and amount of powder. Perhaps oddly, shot size does not matter - apparently, you could load No. 2 Lead shot or No. 9 Lead shot into any particular Lead shot recipe - is the shot load weight that appears to count - not the shot size. I think loading for some buckshot sizes requires placing individual pellets into the load - I think some slugs require over-shot cards and roll crimps - I have loaded neither, so I might have that wrong.

The shot shell reloading process appears to involve pressing out the fired primer which also somewhat "re-sizes" the case. Then a new fresh primer is installed. Then a powder load. Then a wad / shot cup. Then a load of shot. Then to start the crimp - then to finish the crimp. If you did it all correctly - your press all set up with no errors, you get a sealed shot shell that the pellets do not dribble out the crimp, and that chambers into your shotgun. I understand that twisted crimps, leaking shot, bulged cases, etc. are all signs that you used the wrong components, or do not have the press set up correctly. Strikes me as requiring some attention to detail to get set up and to stock up supplies for a particular recipe - then pretty mindless repetition to load hundreds - occasional quality checks, I suppose, to ensure something has not moved or got loose. I am told that shot shell hulls typically give out and can no longer be used when the "petals" for the crimp break off - nothing I read mentions primer pockets loosening, unlike centre-fire rifle.

I have an MEC machine for 28 gauge and Lee machines for 20 gauge and 12 gauge. I notice all of them use a volume system - for both powder and shot - so nothing is weighed - unless you are fussy like me, and actually weigh out what the various inserts dispense - to confirm. My MEC machine has a "Universal Charge Bar", so I had to set it for the volume/weight of powder and the volume/weight of shot that I wanted - and have never changed that for many years - so that "adjustable" feature might be wasted on me - but it might become "handy" if I have to change out the powder that I have been using, or perhaps a different shot weight and recipe. The Lee machines seem to have replaceable plastic (nylon?) rings that alter the volume / weight of powder and shot that they dispense.
 
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Hodgdon has a reloading database that is very comprehensive. Chances are you can find the recipe that the machines are already set up for - that would make it easier for a beginner. Do you have all the bits - hulls, primers, wads, powder and shot?
 
Hodgdon has a reloading database that is very comprehensive. Chances are you can find the recipe that the machines are already set up for - that would make it easier for a beginner. Do you have all the bits - hulls, primers, wads, powder and shot?



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Just need a load data book
 
I might be able to find some load date info for you, got a couple books here.
What brand and type hulls, primers, wads and primers do you have?

Two garbage bags of a bunch of different wads, #209 primers
Winchester and Remington hulls

I think a load data book is a must as I am new to this .

I’m sure I can get one online somewhere.

Not in a rush as I don’t have a 12 gauge and that’s what most of the hulls are.

I’m good for 20 gauge for this years bird hunting.

Also I’ve got some 9mm to do.

Probably an autumn or winter project.

Right now I just want to organize, take stock and build a workbench that makes sense.
 
Two garbage bags of a bunch of different wads, #209 primers
Winchester and Remington hulls

I think a load data book is a must as I am new to this .

I’m sure I can get one online somewhere.

Not in a rush as I don’t have a 12 gauge and that’s what most of the hulls are.

I’m good for 20 gauge for this years bird hunting.

Also I’ve got some 9mm to do.

Probably an autumn or winter project.

Right now I just want to organize, take stock and build a workbench that makes sense.

And what type of powder?
 
Both Hodgdon (Hodgdon, IMR and Winchester powders) and Alliant have free on-line recipe databases. The Hodgdon database is particularly comprehensive. No need to get a manual unless you need some old load data that uses discontinued wads or powder.
 
P W 375 is a fantastic press, I have loaded countless number of 12 gauge target ammo with the ones i used to have. The newer units made a super nice tapered crimp. the older ones worked just as well just no tapered crimp. Near the end of my loading all my loads were with 7/8 oz of shot, a tad more economical....FS
 
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