AARs - SMC Consulting Basic Rifle 29-30Aug09
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Let me clarify a bit, I am in no way a master in the tactical arts of gun fights. It just seems odd to me so I asked. In the pictures that are posted of the vehicle drill everyone exits the vehicle great, but in the last picture the guy in the front is well ahead of the vehicle.
Was there reason for this?
Was there reason for this?
To ensure that the vehicle is not shot.. At least all the courses I have done request this for that reason.
I explained that wrong not front of the vehicle as in in front of the bumper as in ahead of the vehicle towards where the enemy fire is coming from. Like the passenger side of the vehicle.
Also another question should you not change mags from behind cover before moving? This also seems out of place to me. Granted i do not have the extensive training most of you guys have. An explanation as to why that would be if you please.
Also another question should you not change mags from behind cover before moving? This also seems out of place to me. Granted i do not have the extensive training most of you guys have. An explanation as to why that would be if you please.
What did you all learn in this basic class?
See the AARs.
How many days?
2
Why yall dont have your ammo dumped into big boxes beforehand instead fo out of the original boxes?
Personal choices?
Who was the instructor and why is his rifle slung on his back?
Sling is the rifle's holster. If I'm not using my rifle and I'm in a safe place (range) why would I have it in my hands.
As for the vehicle drill, the reason guys arent shooting rollover prone or popped out around the rear is so there weren't any holes in it. After they exited the vehicle they advanced using fire & movement towards the targets. This wasn't a vehicle fighting course, it was just an interesting way to start a contact drill that included all of the skills taught on the course; Communication, positions, use of cover, shooting on the move, pairs fire & movement, failure drill.
If you are trying to analyze every picture by itself we can be here all day.
Yes if you are by yourself and behind hard cover it would be wise to change your empty magazine before leaving the cover. If a shooter is firing on the move as part of a team and has an empty magazine he should change it on the move to keep up with his fireteam partner (who is engaging targets).
See the AARs.
How many days?
2
Why yall dont have your ammo dumped into big boxes beforehand instead fo out of the original boxes?
Personal choices?
Who was the instructor and why is his rifle slung on his back?
Sling is the rifle's holster. If I'm not using my rifle and I'm in a safe place (range) why would I have it in my hands.
As for the vehicle drill, the reason guys arent shooting rollover prone or popped out around the rear is so there weren't any holes in it. After they exited the vehicle they advanced using fire & movement towards the targets. This wasn't a vehicle fighting course, it was just an interesting way to start a contact drill that included all of the skills taught on the course; Communication, positions, use of cover, shooting on the move, pairs fire & movement, failure drill.
If you are trying to analyze every picture by itself we can be here all day.
Yes if you are by yourself and behind hard cover it would be wise to change your empty magazine before leaving the cover. If a shooter is firing on the move as part of a team and has an empty magazine he should change it on the move to keep up with his fireteam partner (who is engaging targets).
I'm going to guess its because it is a rental. Do you want to explain why it is full of bullet holes?
Just enjoy the pictures, there isn't an exam.
Moving is the best time to change mags (IMHO).
If your static you should be shooting.
FLAG ON THE PLAY!!!
Kevin, you are clearly in front of the firing line with another individual firing live ammunition. This is stupid and unsafe, who would engage in such activities.
I'm kidding of course.
TDC
Note - in the pic I posted, John and I where the only Ex-Pat's we had 6 or 7 Iraqi's working that drill with us.
As long as everyone has their head in the game, and communicates, fire and movement in any direction is not rocket science.
I'm glad eveyone enjoyed the class, having observed Big_Red running training for several years, as well as taking classes together down here, and working with him for two years in Iraq, I had no doubt that this would be a big hit.
Considering John has over 4 years of time in Iraq, classes from TEES, FLETC as well as Ken Hackathorn, LAV and others he able to give a lot to Canadians (Mil/LE and civilians) that would not usually be able to get those sort of experiences outside of Dwyer Hill.
As long as everyone has their head in the game, and communicates, fire and movement in any direction is not rocket science.
I'm glad eveyone enjoyed the class, having observed Big_Red running training for several years, as well as taking classes together down here, and working with him for two years in Iraq, I had no doubt that this would be a big hit.
Considering John has over 4 years of time in Iraq, classes from TEES, FLETC as well as Ken Hackathorn, LAV and others he able to give a lot to Canadians (Mil/LE and civilians) that would not usually be able to get those sort of experiences outside of Dwyer Hill.
Great course, I got to put a lot of book learnin' into action, and run a pile of ammo through my carbine.
Thanks to Big Red, SMC and Rauch Tactical.
Time to tweak my kit and do some more dry-fire practice. Not a beginners course but appropriate for anyone with a bit of experience who wants to build on the fundamentals. Progression to the advanced movement and vehicle drills was a bonus and Big Red was always helpful with coaching and tips.
Glad that everyone enjoyed the range and I look forward to more training opportunities with SMC!!
Thanks to Big Red, SMC and Rauch Tactical.
Time to tweak my kit and do some more dry-fire practice. Not a beginners course but appropriate for anyone with a bit of experience who wants to build on the fundamentals. Progression to the advanced movement and vehicle drills was a bonus and Big Red was always helpful with coaching and tips.
Glad that everyone enjoyed the range and I look forward to more training opportunities with SMC!!
fourninerzeros AAR
Friday morning. arrive, introductions, and course gets underway.
start off dry, learning stance, positions, and mag changes and IA's.
move onto the range, quick confirm zero, and onto the practices. static at about 25m, using the various positions, and practicing our empty mag drills. then move onto practicing tactical reloads.
we then moved onto turning and shooting (just static, no walking yet).
lunch.
afternoon consisted of some shooting on the move, shooting around and under cover, a couple new and more uncommon positions, and finishing off with some pairs fire and movement.
day two.
meet, setup, and warm up with some drills (incorporating emergency mag changes and position changes.) moving onto shooting on the move, some farther ranges, and culminating with the vehicle down drills, and the lateral drills (i call it break contact drill, as its identical to my units SOP for breaking ambush left or right)
overall excellent. the range facility was fantastic, lots of room to work, lots of great items for use of cover, and the weather was fantastic. the guys on teh course were excellent to train with, came with a good willingness to learn, and had no qualms about taking advice, and trying out new and unfamiliar things.
Big_Red did a fantastic job, always kept the class running, but without going too far in depth. his skill and knowledge was excellent, and he made sure all understood and were comfortable and capable of the things he was teaching. he was always right there, insuring both safety, and the drill was done correctly.
Rifle used was an LMT MRP 16in CQB. fixed sopmod stock, MIAD grip, Nightforce 1.1-4 in a larue 1.93 spr-e mount, surefire x300, lmt removable iron sight, Tangodown rail panels, VFG and sling mount. BFG padded vcas sling. only thing left to do is get the barrel threaded and my PWS FSC556 comp added.
first, my rig. diamondback tactical H Harness, with a variety of pouches.
Kneeling during pairs fire and movement
red supervising shooting on the move
engaging in close up failure drills.
using cover
emergency mag change from prone
waiting for the UP!
Friday morning. arrive, introductions, and course gets underway.
start off dry, learning stance, positions, and mag changes and IA's.
move onto the range, quick confirm zero, and onto the practices. static at about 25m, using the various positions, and practicing our empty mag drills. then move onto practicing tactical reloads.
we then moved onto turning and shooting (just static, no walking yet).
lunch.
afternoon consisted of some shooting on the move, shooting around and under cover, a couple new and more uncommon positions, and finishing off with some pairs fire and movement.
day two.
meet, setup, and warm up with some drills (incorporating emergency mag changes and position changes.) moving onto shooting on the move, some farther ranges, and culminating with the vehicle down drills, and the lateral drills (i call it break contact drill, as its identical to my units SOP for breaking ambush left or right)
overall excellent. the range facility was fantastic, lots of room to work, lots of great items for use of cover, and the weather was fantastic. the guys on teh course were excellent to train with, came with a good willingness to learn, and had no qualms about taking advice, and trying out new and unfamiliar things.
Big_Red did a fantastic job, always kept the class running, but without going too far in depth. his skill and knowledge was excellent, and he made sure all understood and were comfortable and capable of the things he was teaching. he was always right there, insuring both safety, and the drill was done correctly.
Rifle used was an LMT MRP 16in CQB. fixed sopmod stock, MIAD grip, Nightforce 1.1-4 in a larue 1.93 spr-e mount, surefire x300, lmt removable iron sight, Tangodown rail panels, VFG and sling mount. BFG padded vcas sling. only thing left to do is get the barrel threaded and my PWS FSC556 comp added.
first, my rig. diamondback tactical H Harness, with a variety of pouches.
Kneeling during pairs fire and movement
red supervising shooting on the move
engaging in close up failure drills.
using cover
emergency mag change from prone
waiting for the UP!
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Big Red, Thank you for bringing some of that training of yours home to Canada.
It's really good to see the training community and industry growing up here. As well, it's good to see "vetted" civilians being allowed to these courses.
i truly believe that teaching someone to be compentent with their firearm equals to a higher level of safety.
Looks like everyone was safe - fingers off triggers everywhere, and by the responses here they had a good time.
Lots of heads down though looking at their gear or mags, and not on the fight. But hey that's only the tale the picture tells, everyone eventually looks at their gear in the mist of a course.
Thanks again for bringing this training and experience back to Canada.
It's really good to see the training community and industry growing up here. As well, it's good to see "vetted" civilians being allowed to these courses.
i truly believe that teaching someone to be compentent with their firearm equals to a higher level of safety.
Looks like everyone was safe - fingers off triggers everywhere, and by the responses here they had a good time.
Lots of heads down though looking at their gear or mags, and not on the fight. But hey that's only the tale the picture tells, everyone eventually looks at their gear in the mist of a course.
Thanks again for bringing this training and experience back to Canada.
Great course! I found it well paced, appropriately drilled to learn the concept, enough rounds downrange (about 800rds over two days) to practice each concept - good info given on why certain tactics/moves would be good or not good. Big Red kept a good eye on the participants and provided positive reinforcement to let you know what you were doing right. He was just as watchful to spot errors and provided helpful comments so you knew how to correct those errors (something a book won't do for you). Good dry fire and live fire demonstrations in his instruction. The instruction was professional and the participants equally ready to absorb the material. I actually think everyone there displayed a professional attitude and it was a good group of fellows .Overall an excellent experience and I would recommend Big Red/SMC to anyone. Also a big thanks to Rauch Tactical for making it happen.
Oh yeah, and if you needed to do something over, you got the opportunity. Like the last 'peel team'.
But really, we three were just trying to show you guys how NOT to do the 'peel drill'.
Oh yeah, and if you needed to do something over, you got the opportunity. Like the last 'peel team'.
But really, we three were just trying to show you guys how NOT to do the 'peel drill'.
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