Absolutely ignorant

I can't imagine hunting under those circumstances, it would blow the experience for me.

Where we hunt it's something else if you see someone else. When you do it's just usually one or two trucks driving through on the weekend but never in our hunting spots.
 
Most "hunters" I have seen, rarely get more than a hundred yards from a motorized vehicle. Then they're either too tuckered or too lazy to go any further.
This includes LEO's and CO's, mainly because of time restraints.
So if you walk 3 or 4 miles, off the beaten track, one can sometimes see bushwackers shooting their restricteds and prohibs.;)
 
If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting. This eventually soaks in to some people who change their behavior, location, occupation or whatever it takes to get what they want. Most won't.
 
Next time you go out bring along gizmos that leave a bear paw(with claws) print on the snow.
After 100 yards or so of your own footprints, start imprinting the bearpaws on the snow in
a haphazard manner, sprinkle some tomato juice and erase your own footprints.
Don't forget the trailcam to capture their expressions.
 
Next time you go out bring along gizmos that leave a bear paw(with claws) print on the snow.
After 100 yards or so of your own footprints, start imprinting the bearpaws on the snow in
a haphazard manner, sprinkle some tomato juice and erase your own footprints.
Don't forget the trailcam to capture their expressions.

I was thinking a better deterrent would be some mud and toilet paper. Who would follow your tracks in then?

If you'd ever hunted with my dad you wouldn't. His favorite trick was to take a dump in the trail then throw the paper off to the side about 5 feet. While you were looking at the paper you stepped in it. I learned at a young age to freeze when I saw toilet paper near a trail.
 
Not my human nature. We were atv'ing/hunting/etc a few weekends ago in a heavily trafficked public hunting area. We spent a lot of time finding the odd trail we could go down that didn't have fresh tracks. Why would I go down a trail in hunting season that's got fresh tracks? Clearly I'm going to interfere in someone's hunt. Yes, I can go down the trail. Should I go down the trail is another matter entirely.

Same thing with putting an atv at the trail head. I would probably avoid that trail if I can.
This right here.

Had plenty of opportunity yesterday out scouting a piece of ground that has been productive in the past, but hadn't used it in a few years. Seemed like every good trail had tracks on them. Fresh snow, clearly defined tracks in, none out.

Why would I bother? To what purpose would it be to disturb another's hunt or have mine wrecked? How can I be reasonably sure that it is safe to shoot that buck that just crossed the trail? Spend time finding alternate spots same as fishing.

I, and ONE other guy, have exclusive permission to hunt a farm. Two weeks ago, we go in, and while glassing, I notice something that is not right. Going 200yds closer, we find someone has set up a ground blind in the treeline! WITHOUT any permission at all! Contacted the landowner, he came and removed it. Someone lost a blind that day.
 
I was thinking a better deterrent would be some mud and toilet paper. Who would follow your tracks in then?

If you'd ever hunted with my dad you wouldn't. His favorite trick was to take a dump in the trail then throw the paper off to the side about 5 feet. While you were looking at the paper you stepped in it. I learned at a young age to freeze when I saw toilet paper near a trail.
LMAO, yup...nothing worse than being perched against a tree with stick in hand trying to get poop off your boots lol
 
There's nothing you can do about it. Like it or not, putting tracks on a trail doesn't make it yours. Hanging a tree-stand doesn't make it yours, parking a truck across the road doesn't make it yours, and putting up a sign saying its yours doesn't make it yours. You've got a fighting chance if you walk in so far that only an equally crazy guy will see you, but if he does it still isn't yours.

There's more; you can book a guided hunt in remote area and think you are alone until a local flies in to "your" lake and all of a sudden it isn't yours anymore. Guided hunters are often upset when the considerable fee they are paying doesn't buy them exclusivity to anything.

Unless there's some way I'm unaware of the only way to get the rights to a spot is to buy it, lease it where legal or pay for exclusive use in areas or countries where that's possible. None of these methods are cheap, and aren't a guarantee of being alone but you would have a valid grievance if you got unwanted company.

Making a track in the snow doesn't make it yours either.

You know it isn't yours, but you are mad at six people for walking on a trail on public land?

If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting. This eventually soaks in to some people who change their behavior, location, occupation or whatever it takes to get what they want. Most won't.


You know, I've been reading these forums for a long time and I've read a lot of Dogleg's posts in that time on the hunting board. He has a no-nonsense view on public land. Really with all of his posts I've seen on the public land, stolen treestand, yada yada topic its more of a "thats how people are, you're going to have to get used to it someday" view and it makes sense to me.

I quoted him again for you so you can re read it and hopefully you can take something from it. For your situation it might actually be some good advice. I'd start by changing my location, otherwise nothings going to solve the problem.

Or I can join Dogleg and go f**k myself too.
 
One thing you probbably running into is guys that are scared to go into the bush and they figure your following a trail. There's lots of them out there that would get lost in a phone booth.

X2! I think you hit the nail on the head with this!
4x4
 
You know, I've been reading these forums for a long time and I've read a lot of Dogleg's posts in that time on the hunting board. He has a no-nonsense view on public land. Really with all of his posts I've seen on the public land, stolen treestand, yada yada topic its more of a "thats how people are, you're going to have to get used to it someday" view and it makes sense to me.

I quoted him again for you so you can re read it and hopefully you can take something from it. For your situation it might actually be some good advice. I'd start by changing my location, otherwise nothings going to solve the problem.

Or I can join Dogleg and go f**k myself too.

Yup

Some of us change locations frequently and don't have the connections to gain access to private land, which is mostly already uhh.. spoken for by like-minded individuals. I'm wedged between Algonquin Park, Quebec, and the base. Having a full time job doesn't allow me much time to travel, so hunting nearby crown land is my only option.

My problem with Dogleg et al is their lack of reading skills and condescending attitides. I never said it was "mine" nor do I expect others to believe that it is. I'm upset that some other hunters are not as courteous as I am (and most other hunters)

Bottom line is, when hunting crown land, if somebody beat you to the spot, the right thing to do is to move on and not bother them.


Clearly, you and Dogleg are the minority opinion by a wide margin. Take from that what you will
 
You know, I've been reading these forums for a long time and I've read a lot of Dogleg's posts in that time on the hunting board. He has a no-nonsense view on public land. Really with all of his posts I've seen on the public land, stolen treestand, yada yada topic its more of a "thats how people are, you're going to have to get used to it someday" view and it makes sense to me.

I quoted him again for you so you can re read it and hopefully you can take something from it. For your situation it might actually be some good advice. I'd start by changing my location, otherwise nothings going to solve the problem.

Or I can join Dogleg and go f**k myself too.

I agree as well. I guess I am on that list.

Young guys all think the world owes them something these days...
 
Yup

Some of us change locations frequently and don't have the connections to gain access to private land, which is mostly already uhh.. spoken for by like-minded individuals. I'm wedged between Algonquin Park, Quebec, and the base. Having a full time job doesn't allow me much time to travel, so hunting nearby crown land is my only option.

My problem with Dogleg et al is their lack of reading skills and condescending attitides. I never said it was "mine" nor do I expect others to believe that it is. I'm upset that some other hunters are not as courteous as I am (and most other hunters)

Bottom line is, when hunting crown land, if somebody beat you to the spot, the right thing to do is to move on and not bother them.


Clearly, you and Dogleg are the minority opinion by a wide margin. Take from that what you will

Alright, I'm willing to go f**k myself twice as I don't mind.

I'll start from the last sentience that myself and Dogleg "are the minority opinion by a wide margin". Wrong. Reread your thread, I think that your lack of "reading skills" and not being able to assimilate the information here has caused some your troubles. The consensus here is to find a new area to hunt because the situation sucks but you can't do a thing about it. People will be people, and if you hunt crown land long enough you will realize that no matter where you go, you WILL run into that type almost every single time. It seems to be the golden rule when sharing crown. I'm in the same boat buddy so I COMPLETELY understand your situation as similar things have happened to me. I didn't like it either the first time it happened, but over time you accept the fact you can't change anything and work around them, not expect them to work around you. Either find better ways so you can avoid people, or keep doing the same thing you're doing now and live with it and keep having them ruin your hunt. One way is less frustrating and better than the other, you'll come to accept it one day.

Also, you CHOSE to hunt an area that has SEVEN other hunters running through the IMMEDIATE area. Some of the blame needs to be shifted back on yourself which is something I don't think you've done yet. Because really, good luck seeing a deer saunter through there, as you're just wasting your time. Those people did not ruin your hunt for you, you chose that location and continue to hunt it even though there are a ton of people in and out of there every day. Lets be honest now, you haven't got #### off your stand this season either. You're blaming others for the mistake you made with choosing to continue to hunt the area at this point. You are in the heart of crown country, head north to crown, head west to the park which is huntable, buy a non resident deer licence and go to Quebec or head south to crown. You have a ton of area to keep moving around in to find spots that aren't nearly as crowded as that, but you will probably still chose to head back to that location and continue to frustrate yourself for no reason.

With private land, yes some of it is spoken for, but some of the owners will take more hunters in. Its not always a networking issue my friend. Get out and ask landowners so you can stop getting pissed off at people because they aren't as "courteous" as you. You didn't clearly understand the intent of the statement that was made earlier by BigUglyMan "Holding people to the standards that you hold yourself is a recipe for disappointment". It was directed at you to give up getting mad at the people ruining your hunt because you can't change that fact. You even agreed with it! You're even part of the minority you speak of, you just can't accept it at this point.

Anyways I'm going to go f**k myself because I know you aren't going to take this one good. Before you immediately reply, reread it with an open mind and neutral position. I'm just trying to help you out with a fresh outlook.
 
Park is not huntable 'cause I'm not special enough. Also, like I said, hunting out of area is not an option for me. If you would have read, I did relocate, twice. And now I am hunting a completely different area. Those guys weren't there until after I got there - the area I chose had 0 hunters when I chose it. All I'm saying is that it's direspectful to another's hunt and you guys are coming out and playing internet pokey-chest. That's the last time I'm gonna say it, cause frankly you're wrong and it's not worth arguing
 
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