Accidental discharge at the trap range
- Thread starter popcan
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OneBarfly
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
At my range, action is open until you are on the pad and it's your time to shoot. Nobody is dropping a round in the chamber until it is their turn - action open or otherwise. Off the pad, guns are either racked or shouldered with actions open/broken. I do not recall ever hearing of an A/D on the skeet/trap ranges.
Squad ready.............drop shell in gun............wait my turn... .......pull...... ..bang.... ..open action and put empty in hull bag... ......rest barrel on shoe pad..... ....drop new shell in chamber..........wait turn
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- Location
- Lloydminster SK
As for the beating of this dead horse, the accepted rule is action open until it is your turn to shoot. To me, this point in time comes after the previous shooter has called and shot their bird. The timing is the same for pump, semi and hinge shooters. Shell in the chamber, with the chamber open, impatiently waiting to miss my next target. 
As for AD's, the only one I have seen was due to a semi that slam fired when the action closed. The gun was taken in for a check up immediately to a smith, but no fault was found. It was suspected that the primer was not seated deep enough on a reload. The hull showed an extremely light primer strike, on a distended primer. Because proper safety precautions were being observed, the AD was in a safer direction, and no one was hurt. Lucky for us, out trap house is made of cement, and no damage resulted. We have not painted over this shot pattern on the house as a reminder to practice safe handling techniques.
It does happen, even to experienced shooters with well maintained firearms.
As for the guy who dropped his trap gun, whatever you do popcan, don't lend him your guns. He should not have been eating buttered popcorn on the line anyhow.
I will go back to resting my muzzle in the dirt now. I had no idea that an open chamber was so dangerous to my toes. Dragging the muzzle over the cement is much better.
Methinks David Doyle has not shot a 600 or 700 target weekend before. The rest is a must.
As for AD's, the only one I have seen was due to a semi that slam fired when the action closed. The gun was taken in for a check up immediately to a smith, but no fault was found. It was suspected that the primer was not seated deep enough on a reload. The hull showed an extremely light primer strike, on a distended primer. Because proper safety precautions were being observed, the AD was in a safer direction, and no one was hurt. Lucky for us, out trap house is made of cement, and no damage resulted. We have not painted over this shot pattern on the house as a reminder to practice safe handling techniques.
It does happen, even to experienced shooters with well maintained firearms.
As for the guy who dropped his trap gun, whatever you do popcan, don't lend him your guns.
He should not have been eating buttered popcorn on the line anyhow. I will go back to resting my muzzle in the dirt now. I had no idea that an open chamber was so dangerous to my toes.
Dragging the muzzle over the cement is much better. Methinks David Doyle has not shot a 600 or 700 target weekend before. The rest is a must.
JohnC
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
One of the best points I got from the Utah CCW course was the difference between "accidental" discharge and "negligent" discharge.
Thinking of the 20 or so AD's that I've seen or had happen over the years, I can think of only one that was truly an AD- and even in that case, if more rigorous maintenance had taken place, it wouldn't have happened. so even that one could have been attributed to negligence.
Thinking of the 20 or so AD's that I've seen or had happen over the years, I can think of only one that was truly an AD- and even in that case, if more rigorous maintenance had taken place, it wouldn't have happened. so even that one could have been attributed to negligence.
nope never shot a 700 round weekend, have carried a rifle/shotgun in my left hand for as long a day/night as anyone on this board though and never felt the need to rest it muzzle first against a body part.
What do you do when your hunting under apack or slogging through a duck marsh? tie your shotgun to a string and drag it behind you? Maybe when I am older and weaker I will sucumb to the temptation to be weak but for now I think I 'll stick with using my body to it's full potential and carry my guns instead of dragging them across the ground.LOL.
Just because lots of people do something is not a great indication that it is either required or smart.
What do you do when your hunting under apack or slogging through a duck marsh? tie your shotgun to a string and drag it behind you? Maybe when I am older and weaker I will sucumb to the temptation to be weak but for now I think I 'll stick with using my body to it's full potential and carry my guns instead of dragging them across the ground.LOL.
Just because lots of people do something is not a great indication that it is either required or smart.
beretta boy
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Orillia, Ontario
Better tell our Scout / Snipers not to use those drag bags for their guns !
rigby said:
I know of 2 guns dropped at the line, the first was not a discharge, "just" a dropped gun.
It can happen to the best, but the moment after I beat someone up for it, I know my turn will be next. God always seems to get me back for yapping.
(Like the time I really gave it to a guy who had lost his D.L for getting too many speeding tickets. Guess what happened the very next day? 
) So, in my old age I have learned not to yap, as #### happens to everyone. No one but an idiot drops a gun on purpose - but if unsafe habits are at the root of it, then it is a different matter altogether.
MR.Doyle, why are you even in the Skeet/Trap/Sporting Clay forum?
beretta boy
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Orillia, Ontario
Just thinking about it .... you know, last time I was down at the ATA Grand in Vandalia, I bet I saw maybe 2000 or so people with those little leather shoe tabs thingys that have a round cone on them. Most seemed to be resting their Perazzi, Beretta or Kreighoff shotguns on the little tab thing on top of their foot. And can you believe it, those little tab thingys were for sale all up and down Exhibitors row !!! Saw lots of people there, walking up and down the mile or so of traps ... but didn't really notice anyone limping because of missing toes... or gunshot wounds to the top of the foot !!!! Strange, eh ???? Even with something like 6,000,000 shotgun shells being discharged there over a 10 day period.
You know I have been looking for one of those toe things for a long time now.
You would think that they are a dime a dozen. The only place I found were order from shotgun sports magazine "leather shop", NICA shooting ( not sure of they will send one up) or wait until I get down to the states and look around at Kesslerings, I think they sell the Beretta ones like NICA.
Jacky
You would think that they are a dime a dozen. The only place I found were order from shotgun sports magazine "leather shop", NICA shooting ( not sure of they will send one up) or wait until I get down to the states and look around at Kesslerings, I think they sell the Beretta ones like NICA.
Jacky
jonnynitro
Regular
At Toronto International I drop a shell in my semi and close the action on my turn. This seems to be normal practice and just the way everyone does it.
My accidental: First day of shooting for the year, it was nearly 0 degrees and I could hardly feel my finger, called pull and my finger was so cold it hit the trigger without me even knoing and the pellets skimmed the top of the house! oh well, thats why its always good to keep it in a safe direction!
My accidental: First day of shooting for the year, it was nearly 0 degrees and I could hardly feel my finger, called pull and my finger was so cold it hit the trigger without me even knoing and the pellets skimmed the top of the house! oh well, thats why its always good to keep it in a safe direction!
david doyle said:
I agree. I don't shoot at a club much, simply because it's a drive to get there (but the rules there are unloaded firearms with open actions). I shoot mostly behind the house into my bush and we have an unload/open action rule when we shoot, though it's informally enforced ("just keep it unloaded except when you're shooting").
- Location
- East ontario
Another good reason to have a single point sling and mount
Gun would be pointed in a safe direction at all times and if you did have a problem, ie you were going to drop the shotgun you cant as its attached to the sling,i have shot skeet with a rem 1100 and 870 and the sling never gets in the way and i have full use of both my hands,which at the time of year i did this i put them both in my pockets as it was so cold i could not feel my hands.
I am more them willing to go take some photos and post it hear if anyones intrested,ive converted a few skeet shooters to this idea as they dont have to hold onto there gun when they are not shooting.
bbb
Gun would be pointed in a safe direction at all times and if you did have a problem, ie you were going to drop the shotgun you cant as its attached to the sling,i have shot skeet with a rem 1100 and 870 and the sling never gets in the way and i have full use of both my hands,which at the time of year i did this i put them both in my pockets as it was so cold i could not feel my hands.
I am more them willing to go take some photos and post it hear if anyones intrested,ive converted a few skeet shooters to this idea as they dont have to hold onto there gun when they are not shooting.
bbb
