Accuracy from a Russian M44?

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I own a nearly mint polish Mosin Nagant M44 and want to keep its outward appearance as historical as I can.
So turning off the bayonet lugs is out.
I have epoxy bed the recoil lug and the rear stock mount. I have also made some new trigger parts to make the pull smoother and a bit lighter.( Kept the originals original)
I only neck size my cases since I only own one gun chambered in 7.62x54R.
I'm using IMR 30-31 with speer 150gr spitzer sp .311" (bore slugs at .3115")
As I see it my main problem is the sights being too close together.
Is there a rear sight scope mount availabl for Mosin Nagants that donot require putting holes in my virgin matched number gun?
Does someone have a ammo recipe for a M44 they wish to share? ( Realize there is going to be some varience to play with but a good starting place would help.)
Anything else I can do?
 
better sights

There are rear sights available on the Internet that are made with a hole in them to provide a peep sight. That should help with targets, but probably be not as good for hunting beacause it would take longer to acquire your target.

Also, there are "no drill" scope mounts available that replace the rear sight leaf with a mount for long eye relief scopes.
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I have a 1953 issue as well. I've had a chance to fire it on a single occasion so far, and that was at 100 yards with milsurp ammo.
I was curious what the farthest distance is that anyone here may have managed a somewhat consistant grouping with iron sights only.
 
My father did really well with his Polish carbine at 300m with milsurp ammo and iron sights. We were using the Czech surplus stuff, for surplus it is very consistant.
 
I sold one to my friend

Now I want it back.

He can consistently get fist size groupings with bayo folded at the 100. (he never shoots with it out so don't know if it is any more accurate.

He figures it is accurate enough as it matches my LEE No 1 Mk III:eek:
(probably says alot about my shooting skill:redface:)
 
From what I have read and heard, the Polish M44s were the most accurate variation ever produced. Hungarian ones were a close second....Keep in mind though, these rifles weren't meant to be MOA accurate; if they could hit a man sized target at 100-300 meters, they were good enough for the battlefield.
My 1944 Izzy M44 shoots the same (decent) groups with the bayo folded as it does extended. My '44 Tula 91/30 shoots dime sized groups with the bayo attached, otherwise it shoots way high and to the right. I think the bayonet factor applies more to the 91/30 than to the M44.
 
My uncle was trained with them in the army late 40s and early 50s. He was sayinf they were instructed to shoot with bayonet extended since the gun was calibrated to be fire with bayonet extended
 
With the Polish M44, the bayonet extended or retracted makes no difference on the group size. I feed mine Graf brass, Federal LRP, and a stout load of IMR4350. Seated over top is Sierra 174 grain Matchking .311 bullet. At 100 yards this generates a group size of 1 inch using the iron sights. Carbine is unmodded, except for a slip on recoil pad to increase the length of pull. They are beautiful little rifles and I love shooting mine.
 
buffdog said:
There are rear sights available on the Internet that are made with a hole in them to provide a peep sight. That should help with targets, but probably be not as good for hunting beacause it would take longer to acquire your target.

Also, there are "no drill" scope mounts available that replace the rear sight leaf with a mount for long eye relief scopes.
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I bought one of these mounts that was bull####(aluminium). Anyways, I can't figure out how a scope mount, even made of good heattreated steel, would be capable of enduring the hard recoil of these carbines with for only anchor the little hole drilled for the rear sight leaf.

My carbine is a 1945 izzy refurb, that was shooting 7-8''@100 when I bought it. ''bedding'' the muzzle with cork tightened my groups a little. The modification that ended up upgrading my accuracy the most was to replace the thick front sight post with a piece of thinner steel wire. Now it groups about 4-5'' @ 100 with surplus cold war ammo, and I feel I couldn't ask more from this cheap high powered carbine shooting cheap high powered cartriges...
 
I've read in an old guns n ammo mag all about the M44 carbine and how it is supposed to be fired bayonet out to keep from pulling left? But since my groups are all over the map I see nothing different. I'm thinking about a russian PU reproduction scope but meh, I don know?
Its a beauti of a gun hate to mod it too much from original.
Never found the recoil very bad though, even with my colar bone telescoped! Now the report! WOW!! Loud! :D
 
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