Accuracy guarantee

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With all the chatter on accuracy guarantee's do you think they are a gimmick or has anybody ever made good on one?
There are so many variables in shooting how does one know if the rifle is poor or is it the shooter? possibly conditions? Ammo?
What's your thoughts?

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They stipulate ' quality approved ammo ' and it would have to be a bench/sand bag combo....Im curious to see what they would do if push came to shove and a beligerant consumer demanded his money back ?????
 
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Not saying which manufacturer but I've sent a rifle back that just wouldn't shoot. They happily sent me a new one, this time with a three-shot-group target.
 
Boomer said:
I think an accuracy guarantee is a marketing ploy. These days a quality rifle that doesn't shoot well seems to be the exception to the rule.
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Yup, the one I sent back had no guarantee but there was no question it should shoot better and the new one did :D
 
I believe that most "factory groups" are shot indoors, under near perfect conditions, in solid rests, with high power scopes, by indidviduals who are "proficient". Under these conditions, most factory rifles will produce 3 shot groups under 1 1/2" at 100 yards.
When I look for a new rifle, I look for one with the smallest factory group. I don't expect it to give me the same groups that came from the factory, but it has been my experience that rifles with good factory groups are decent shooters.
My last three rifles came with factory groups of 0.67 / 0.70 / 0.38 " With handloads, the first two give me groups about the same size as the "factory" groups and the last one yields groups of about 1/2".
 
I have owned a few rifles that came with accuracy guarantees,and all met the guarantee.However,in the case of a 1-1/2" three shot guarantee at 100 yards,it didn't mean much,since all of my bolt action rifles would do that guarantee or not.In fact my most accurate factory rifles did not come with any accuracy guarantee(with the exception of a remington 40xbks),while some of my least accurate(and most expensive rifles) came with a guarantee.
 
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my CZ-858 came with a factory shot target it doesnt say the range but im assuming 100 yards? it looks to be about 1 1/2 inch group....
 
My new Sako 85 .308 has been a problem. I can't shoot better than 1-1/2" unless I use handloads, and I shouldn't need to use handloads. Most any factory load shoots to about 1-3/4" or so. And only one handload so far has actually met the <1" guarantee. But it is a big game hunting rifle, not a target rifle, so I shouldn't mind (but I do!) It still shoots as well as most I've owned. Should I make a fuss?
 
Longwalker said:
My new Sako 85 .308 has been a problem. I can't shoot better than 1-1/2" unless I use handloads, and I shouldn't need to use handloads. Most any factory load shoots to about 1-3/4" or so. And only one handload so far has actually met the <1" guarantee. But it is a big game hunting rifle, not a target rifle, so I shouldn't mind (but I do!) It still shoots as well as most I've owned. Should I make a fuss?
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Why not, you paid good money for that rifle but then again I bet it would be near impossible to return. The shop or Beretta would probably lay blame on you and your shooting technique.

Be interesting to here of a person actually making a company hold up to its claimed accuracy gurantee.

Cheers!!
 
I think that with a certain level of quality control good groups should be the norm, not the exception. I think that a test target is a demonstration of a certain level of quality control. Steyr-Mannlicher have been providing test targets for I don't know how long. So was Mauser and Voere...at least 25 years ago. The Voere Titans didn't leave the factory unless they printed a 1/2" 3 shot group. I am certain it would be from a vice, but nice to know the rifle could do it.
 
Longwalker said:
My new Sako 85 .308 has been a problem. I can't shoot better than 1-1/2" unless I use handloads, and I shouldn't need to use handloads. Most any factory load shoots to about 1-3/4" or so. And only one handload so far has actually met the <1" guarantee. But it is a big game hunting rifle, not a target rifle, so I shouldn't mind (but I do!) It still shoots as well as most I've owned. Should I make a fuss?
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The model 85 I received had a "one minute of angle garantee" and shoots it. Not sure about factory ammo but I know where you are coming from. Maybe you should give stoeger a call and let them know.
 
sealhunter said:
My CZ came with a shot target, .67 at 100 yrds.
My first group was 1 inch at 100 yrds, and then .88
I was very pleased.
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i was very surprised at with the cz as well i bought it with low expectations and it blew me away. (i still hate that plastic wood though)
 
I was feeling a little guilty about the amount of effort that I put in before writing my post above about that inaccurate Sako 85. So I went out and bought 6 more boxes of factory loads with types of bullets that I haven't tried yet, and really took my time to shoot carefully from the bench. I couldn't decide on 3-shot or 5-shot groups so I shot 4's! As it turns out, I was able to shoot two consecutive groups of under 1" with each of three loads, the Norma 180 gr. RN, Federal Match 168 HP and Winchester CT Ballistic Silvertip 165. So as usual, the main fault was with the nut behind the trigger, not the rifle. Now I'm glad I didn't complain.
However, the new Model 85 does not shoot as consistently well with many different loads as my old Sako L579 Forester. ( one load, The Prvi Partisan 180's threw 3.5" groups in the M85, 7/8" in the L579) I just needed to find out what it likes. My apologies to Sako. They do make fine rifles.
 
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