Ok , I going to ask a " stupid " question. Is the Accuracy International rifle system really that great? Are they actually worth the money over say a TRG ? And before someone says " but it's a custom ......" , I 've spent more money on SVI pistols and custom fit wood for my competition shotguns that I understand "custom" I just really want to know if they are and maybe why they are so much money . Thanks guys
Accuracy int.....?
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Bomb proof construction, superb accuracy, trusted by military and law enforcement agencies the world over. High quality, lower production#'s equal high prices. Are they worth it? Only you can decide, but if you ask any of their owners I'm sure they have no regrets.
Mystic Precision
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Is a BMW or Audi worth double the price of a Camry?
Or approaching triple to cost of a Hyundai Sonata?
Depends on what you want, what you need, and what you consider valueable.
The one thing that you should do if wanting to buy and AI, try the stock for fit.
Even if I wanted one, I can't buy one as the stock simply does not fit me.
You also add the PGW series of rifles if looking at this end of the gene pool
Jerry
Or approaching triple to cost of a Hyundai Sonata?
Depends on what you want, what you need, and what you consider valueable.
The one thing that you should do if wanting to buy and AI, try the stock for fit.
Even if I wanted one, I can't buy one as the stock simply does not fit me.
You also add the PGW series of rifles if looking at this end of the gene pool
Jerry
AI are all very, very nice. In my book they are comparable in accuracy and function to the Sako TRG and are thought to be more robust or battle-proof than the Finnish rifle ( but, they are more expensive than the TRG's) and ought to be on the short list of anyone who is looking for a very accurate tactical-type bolt rifle. As Jerry said please make sure the stock fits before buying - I love the AICS but the new AX wouldn't work for me. Fortunately it isn't usually too hard to try a stock fit as many ( including myself ) have purchased the AICS into which we drop a Remington which doesn't an Accuracy INternational make but does improve Big Green's offering. Again echoing Jerry's comment I would say that the PGW has to also be on a person's short list when considering this type of rifle.
I wondered about Accurracy International for years. I wondered about it so long I had to try it, and I became the proud owner of a green Arctic Warfare .308 in October of last year. It was (and is, for now) the most expensive firearm I've ever bought. Do I regret it? Hell no. Not for a second. If anything I wish I would have tried one earlier. This thing has totally changed the way I think about rifles. Now I'm going to sell off some of my other stuff to get another one in a larger calibre - price be damned. The satisfaction in owning one of these rifles is high. You certainly don't see alot of people selling them on the EE, to say the least.
The car analogy is a good one. You don't need a Range Rover (or whatever) to drive to work and back, but it'll get that job done too. Are there cheaper rifles that will shoot a reliable and consistent 1/2 MOA off the bench? Of course there are. There are legions of them, starting from relatively low-cost offerings from Savage and Remington and others. AI firearms are designed to extremely robust military standards, and designed to shoot with (or near) target rifle accuracy in any conditions: from -40 Alaska, to the sands of Iraq, to humid tropical jungles, etc., etc. None of us on this website will ever need that kind of reliability and durability, but we can still appreciate these firearms for the incredible works of engineering they are. The flat bottom action that is permanently bolted and epoxy bonded to a full-length aluminimum block - that made a ton of sense to me. It takes the "bedding" issue and throws it out the window. Are there awsome professionally bedded rifles that will out shoot an AI? Sure, but all the AI's are going to be "right there" with quality accurate rifles, and have the added bonus that you could bounce them off the ground from waist height without affecting zero or anything else. That's the difference right there: not ultimate accuracy, or shootablility, but superb accuracy and shootability in a package that is bordering on functional indestructibility.
Other rifles, like the SAKO TRG series, are very comparable to AI but at a lower price point for various reason. Some competitors for the military market (mostly from continental Europe) are even MORE expensive than AI! If you are looking for the best value for money, none of these rifles are going to even come close to maximizing that equation. But, going back to the car thing, you don't go to the high-end car dealership because you want the best value for money. Some people want these premium products just because they want the experience of owning and using them.
One weird thing that got me interested in AI as well... when the Bundeswehr went shoping for a sniper rifle, they bought one made in ENGLAND of all places. I thought... there MUST be something to these rifles! When in human history did that ever happen before
Military contracts aren't everything, but they do say... somebody tested it and found it to be the best option for them.
I really like the way the green AW's look too. Here's my .308. I hope to have something else from AI by later this year: (with Steyr SSG 69)
The car analogy is a good one. You don't need a Range Rover (or whatever) to drive to work and back, but it'll get that job done too. Are there cheaper rifles that will shoot a reliable and consistent 1/2 MOA off the bench? Of course there are. There are legions of them, starting from relatively low-cost offerings from Savage and Remington and others. AI firearms are designed to extremely robust military standards, and designed to shoot with (or near) target rifle accuracy in any conditions: from -40 Alaska, to the sands of Iraq, to humid tropical jungles, etc., etc. None of us on this website will ever need that kind of reliability and durability, but we can still appreciate these firearms for the incredible works of engineering they are. The flat bottom action that is permanently bolted and epoxy bonded to a full-length aluminimum block - that made a ton of sense to me. It takes the "bedding" issue and throws it out the window. Are there awsome professionally bedded rifles that will out shoot an AI? Sure, but all the AI's are going to be "right there" with quality accurate rifles, and have the added bonus that you could bounce them off the ground from waist height without affecting zero or anything else. That's the difference right there: not ultimate accuracy, or shootablility, but superb accuracy and shootability in a package that is bordering on functional indestructibility.
Other rifles, like the SAKO TRG series, are very comparable to AI but at a lower price point for various reason. Some competitors for the military market (mostly from continental Europe) are even MORE expensive than AI! If you are looking for the best value for money, none of these rifles are going to even come close to maximizing that equation. But, going back to the car thing, you don't go to the high-end car dealership because you want the best value for money. Some people want these premium products just because they want the experience of owning and using them.
One weird thing that got me interested in AI as well... when the Bundeswehr went shoping for a sniper rifle, they bought one made in ENGLAND of all places. I thought... there MUST be something to these rifles! When in human history did that ever happen before
Military contracts aren't everything, but they do say... somebody tested it and found it to be the best option for them.I really like the way the green AW's look too.
Here's my .308. I hope to have something else from AI by later this year: (with Steyr SSG 69)
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No and No. Waste of money unless you are a small country or large police force and have someone else pay.
I revelled in beating Rory's AI 300 win mag with a scope that had 125 min of wind adjustment with my 700 rem custom with B&L 36x scope. what fun. There were no tanks to worry about running over our rifles and no hurricanes to need that windage just a 5 inch bullseye at 1000 yds that the Inaccuracy International had trouble hitting. Another guy had a TRG, The trigger could be adjusted front, back, sideways, but couldn't be adjusted to reliably set off a primer. I'd love to get Caramel out with his Nemesis, to give me a shooting lesson, but that'll never happen.
NormB
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They are a good rifle, make no mistake, but are GROSSLY overpriced for what you really get. Their chassis is either a love em or hate em thing.
IF it fits you you might love it, if not..........
Well said, Norm... I love looking at AI's, PGW's etc but from a practical sense I always go back to customizing 700's as the best bang for performance for my money
"GROSSLY overpriced" ? OK.
So, without going into details (numbers), should they be listed on a par, price wise, with similar rifles, like the Sako TRG rifles ? Or above, or below ?
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I tried the AICS2 stock at ATRS and I wasn't impressed with the fit - the pistol grip is quite short, my pinky finger was sliding off. I think my hands are quite average in size. Try before you buy!
The answer boils down to a coupla things.
Does anybody NEED a Rolex DeepSea Dweller - water-resistant to 3500m?
Nope, but it's nice to have something that bomb-proof.
Does anybody actually NEED a DSR-1 - a rifle that has a price-tag that makes the AI look like a bargain?
Again, nope, but they sell every one they can hustle out of the door.
Do the many military customers of the AI, including the Bundeswehr, the military forces of a nation renowned for excellence in gunsmithing, express any doubts about their purchase? Not in the least, it seems, most are repeat customers, especially after reading the exploits of CoH Craig Harrison, who, shooting his .338LM-calibre AI, took the longest snipe record away from M/Cpl Rob Furlong in 2009.
If I could afford one, I'd have it like a shot, and in case you think that they are pretty rare, last sunday morning there were seven at my little gun club, out of only 30 shooters there.
tac
Does anybody NEED a Rolex DeepSea Dweller - water-resistant to 3500m?
Nope, but it's nice to have something that bomb-proof.
Does anybody actually NEED a DSR-1 - a rifle that has a price-tag that makes the AI look like a bargain?
Again, nope, but they sell every one they can hustle out of the door.
Do the many military customers of the AI, including the Bundeswehr, the military forces of a nation renowned for excellence in gunsmithing, express any doubts about their purchase? Not in the least, it seems, most are repeat customers, especially after reading the exploits of CoH Craig Harrison, who, shooting his .338LM-calibre AI, took the longest snipe record away from M/Cpl Rob Furlong in 2009.
If I could afford one, I'd have it like a shot, and in case you think that they are pretty rare, last sunday morning there were seven at my little gun club, out of only 30 shooters there.
tac
Agreed. I fondled one today and instantly disliked it. Front of the pistol grip is too flat, feels awkward to grip it, and my thumb knuckle butts up against the top of the thumb-hole, right where the seam is, meaning I can't get a high-enough grip.. That and the AX chassis just looks funny.
The MDT Tac21 might be perfect in how you can choose your own butt stock and pistol grip. Now to find someone with one....
Gunnerlove
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Lots of guys only wrap their hand around the grip shooting standing or kneeling.
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Wolverine Guns & Tackle in Red Deer, in behind Gasoline Alley on the west side. I looked at them on Saturday. Pretty nice if you don't mind the enclosed action. Should be able to customize it pretty well. They have a couple on display LA & SA with beautiful paint jobs.
I usually wear L size, for what that's worth, my palm is 3.5" across. It's really something you should try for yourself of course. I like the MacMillan better but it's a stock, not a chassis. And when I tried the AICS I had bare hands.
I usually wear L size, for what that's worth, my palm is 3.5" across. It's really something you should try for yourself of course. I like the MacMillan better but it's a stock, not a chassis. And when I tried the AICS I had bare hands.
