Accuracy International Owners out there?

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Just want to hear some real world experience from any accuracy international owners out there.

What its like to use?
Accuracy?
If you have an AXMC do you change calibers?
Do you carry it in the field or just too heavy?
Any other thoughts of it or do you wish you bought something different?
 
They are truly a fantastic rifle to own...
Many many people talk very highly of them .....as well as the military people out there ...from what I heard
I was told this ......by one military and one former military dude
They are simply the best out there nothing comes close
 
Very well built units indeed. Durable action and great chassis. Triggers were always the weak link in the unit if you were ever accustomed to a single stage or lighter 2 stage till they finally came out with the new competition trigger of which we have had 10 and they are very very nice and a game changer for the AI guys. Factory barrels are quite good but limited to caliber and availability.
 
I had an AI AX for about 18 months and they are great guns.

However, IMO, their "legendary" status has been helped along by certain folks down in the USA and I dare say video games.

They are accurate, reliable, and durable but so are a lot of guns these days.

If you really want one nothing else will scratch that itch but there are lots of great choices these days.
 
I had an AI AX for about 18 months and they are great guns.

However, IMO, their "legendary" status has been helped along by certain folks down in the USA and I dare say video games.

They are accurate, reliable, and durable but so are a lot of guns these days.

If you really want one nothing else will scratch that itch but there are lots of great choices these days.

Agreed with this. AI's are great units, and truly the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.

AI's have created a reputation of extreme reliability, a lot of rhetoric around their reliability. That reputation extends to 5+ years ago, when the quality of custom rifles and their components were no where near where they are at today. There used to be a big dichotomy between the reliability of an AI and a custom rifle - there's a great Steel Safari YouTube video from many moons ago that highlights the poor reliability of past customs in poor/adverse conditions, while the AI's kept running. My first precision rifle, a GAP Crusader in 6.5 creedmoor, was no where near as reliable as an AI. Thankfully custom rifles and their components have increased in quality drastically over the last few years, and paired with a good gunsmith, customs are pretty much every bit as reliable as an AI these days. And yes, I've seen numerous AI's fail in competition, so from my anecdotal experience, the reliability gap is razor thin these days.

An AI rifle is designed as a "one size fits most". It's the suit hanging on the rack. The sleeve pitch may be off, the shoulders a little too wide, the suit may bunch up a bit in the front and create the subtle dreaded "X" when the top button is done up, but it fits - mostly. Maybe you're lucky and it's even a perfect fit. But you need to try them to find out. If certain parts of the system don't work for you, well you just have to deal with it as the system comes as is.

A custom rifle is like a tailor made suit - but there's a big caveat. You need to know exactly what you want in a rifle, use quality components and have a good gunsmith put it together (or at least do the barrel work). My current custom rifles fit me perfectly. But my PRS rifle for example, took 3 iterations to get there. That's a lot of time and capital. Thankfully, for those that are starting out in the custom rifle market today, the options are much better than when I got into the game. I would put my custom rifle as it currently sits over an AI 10 times out of 10, and I know it's pretty much just as reliable as any AI. I would also argue that there is a better precision potential with a well made custom gun over an AI in stock form - but AI's shoot really good as is and most shooters wouldn't be able to shoot the difference. And, whenever you need to rebarrel an AI, you can go the custom gunsmith route with a premium blank and have a rifle every bit as precise as some of the best customs.

AI rifles don't fit me well. I hate the ergos, and I'm not a fan of the trigger. They are great quality, and great systems. If that's what you want and it fits you, then it's certainly hard to go wrong.
 
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Yo....after twenty years of competition with factory rigs and then custom barreled rigs, I finally broke down and bought my Accuracy International AT in 308

Last fall I had IBI Ryan put together a 260 barrel for this rig and already it’s a 0.5” shooter in the fall..... time to develop loads for this coming spring!!


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I still have a few Remmy 700 PR rigs but......... :evil:


Cheers, Barney

:wave:
 

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I have been shooting an AI for the last 6 years and have been very happy with it.

Here is a review which should answer some of your questions:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...ccuracy-International-2500-round-rifle-review

Nice Glad to see the success with an aftermarket barrel, I'd definitely explore getting the bolt and buying aftermarket barrels. The consistency you've shown here is one of the reasons why I'm very attracted to the whole AI package.

Agreed with this. AI's are great units, and truly the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.

AI's have created a reputation of extreme reliability, a lot of rhetoric around their reliability. That reputation extends to 5+ years ago, when the quality of custom rifles and their components were no where near where they are at today. There used to be a big dichotomy between the reliability of an AI and a custom rifle - there's a great Steel Safari YouTube video from many moons ago that highlights the poor reliability of past customs in poor/adverse conditions, while the AI's kept running. My first precision rifle, a GAP Crusader in 6.5 creedmoor, was no where near as reliable as an AI. Thankfully custom rifles and their components have increased in quality drastically over the last few years, and paired with a good gunsmith, customs are pretty much every bit as reliable as an AI these days. And yes, I've seen numerous AI's fail in competition, so from my anecdotal experience, the reliability gap is razor thin these days.

An AI rifle is designed as a "one size fits most". It's the suit hanging on the rack. The sleeve pitch may be off, the shoulders a little too wide, the suit may bunch up a bit in the front and create the subtle dreaded "X" when the top button is done up, but it fits - mostly. Maybe you're lucky and it's even a perfect fit. But you need to try them to find out. If certain parts of the system don't work for you, well you just have to deal with it as the system comes as is.

A custom rifle is like a tailor made suit - but there's a big caveat. You need to know exactly what you want in a rifle, use quality components and have a good gunsmith put it together (or at least do the barrel work). My current custom rifles fit me perfectly. But my PRS rifle for example, took 3 iterations to get there. That's a lot of time and capital. Thankfully, for those that are starting out in the custom rifle market today, the options are much better than when I got into the game. I would put my custom rifle as it currently sits over an AI 10 times out of 10, and I know it's pretty much just as reliable as any AI. I would also argue that there is a better precision potential with a well made custom gun over an AI in stock form - but AI's shoot really good as is and most shooters wouldn't be able to shoot the difference. And, whenever you need to rebarrel an AI, you can go the custom gunsmith route with a premium blank and have a rifle every bit as precise as some of the best customs.

AI rifles don't fit me well. I hate the ergos, and I'm not a fan of the trigger. They are great quality, and great systems. If that's what you want and it fits you, then it's certainly hard to go wrong.

Agreed with the custom gun being just as reliable for the same price (probably less) but here's the thing, I haven't been shooting long enough to really know what I like and what I don't with a gun yet, thats where the factory route attracts me. If may not be a perfect fit like you described but it will give me time to develop skills and good habits. And in five years once I've put enough factory rounds down range, then I can upgrade to a custom gun that suites my every need. I think you hit the nail on the head of why to go with AI

Yo....after twenty years of competition with factory rigs and then custom barreled rigs, I finally broke down and bought my Accuracy International AT in 308

Last fall I had IBI Ryan put together a 260 barrel for this rig and already it’s a 0.5” shooter in the fall..... time to develop loads for this coming spring!!


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I still have a few Remmy 700 PR rigs but......... :evil:


Cheers, Barney

:wave:

Glad you like it, do you find the same consistency as well?

I had an AI AX for about 18 months and they are great guns.

However, IMO, their "legendary" status has been helped along by certain folks down in the USA and I dare say video games.

They are accurate, reliable, and durable but so are a lot of guns these days.

If you really want one nothing else will scratch that itch but there are lots of great choices these days.

Which caliber did you get yours in? How do you find it to shoot compared to your customs?
 
I had 308, 6xc, and 6.5x47 barrels. All shot really well but the chassis never felt great to me.

I would just get a good barreled action and then you can try some chassis out. It will probably cost you less in the long run.
 
Ryan and Kthomas make some great points.

I like their points about the suit on the rack. You gotta try it a few times and make it work for you. I’m just lucky to fit the AI geometry....

When you build a Surgeon 591 and add your own trigger and screw on a great barrel, you will likely end up with a super product that will likely fit you better. That’s important. I once owned a Surgeon 591 and I loved it.

It’s been said here also that you might have to try a couple of chassis systems. I bought an HS3 by MDT and sold it because I just loved my ESS with Skeleton Folder by MDT. That’s setup right now for my wife and her Remmy 700 SPS Tac in 223.

I even bought a used AICS 1.5 since I am such an AI fanboy for my Magpul barreled Action 260. It’s my back Up 260 for the DCRA’s NSCC Matches. Yeah you gotta try all these rigs and set ups to see and discover what feels best. I’m a tiny bit luckier than most since my hand is a small-medium size and it likes that goofy /weird/ strange thumbhole.... :cool:

This rifle fitting process is / can / will / may be quite some learning journey. At the end of it all, enjoy the learning process because we can never stop learning!

So if you are hot and horny for an AI , then ya gotta shoot other folks’ AI rigs and see for yourself. My only complaint about AI gear is that it can be all proprietary and that’s annoying. I’m glad I’m not deploying overseas, I can buy my own accessories at my own leisure, besides...shopping around and improvising is half the fun with AI rigs.


At the end of it all, get out and shoot my PR Matches or Ryan-Mcle’s PRS Matches in Garrison Petawawa and / or Meaford LRSC or Rugbydave’s BCPRL Pemberton Matches!! Hahahahaha

And the Alberta PRS matches and the Valcartier Matches, and any LR Match you can get your hands on. It’s all phenomenal learning!

Cheers, Barney.

:wave:
 
Have had an ae mkiii since 2015. Their claim to fame is a precision gun that works really consistantly in a wide variety of conditions.

As mentioned before if you do your homework amalgamate the right parts and find the right builder, you might be able to get a gun that shoots as good as an ai as reliably across a broad range of conditions, maybe even better. The big asterisk there is knowing exactly what you want and the exhausting process of getting there some people enjoy that journey...

I'm lazy. I wanted the one stop shop. Got my ae. Never really looked back. You can probably build a better gun with experience. But odds are it'll cost more, not less. And there is no gurantee it will perform as consistant.
 
After seeing some of the barrel impact tests out of the US I will be staying away from quick switch barrel systems go forward.

My AX was a very nice gun though.
 
No official tests but a couple of guys on IG discussing it.

It is happening on regular barrels as well but it seems to be worse on the switch barrels.
 
Any link to the tests? I'd like to check that out.

People are seeing POI shifts whenever their switch barrel systems are more than "lightly" used. Some top PRS shooters are going back to shouldered barrels torqued up to 100 ft-lbs based on their experiences with "switch barrel" systems.

Ian Kelbly (of Kelbly rifles) wrote up in a thread on SH about their companies experience with switch barrel systems vs shouldered barrels. He mentions that throughout his experience for manufacturing benchrest actions since 1981 (and I'm paraphrasing here), that he has seen POI issues, as well as a degradation in accuracy/precision potential when using anything other than shouldered barrels (torqued up 100+ ft-lbs). Barrels need to be torqued up against a shouldered surface for the threads to work as intended, and get the most accuracy potential out of your system.

Direct quote from Ian Kelbly on that SH post:
The only way to have extreme consistent accuracy is to have a shouldered barrel that is torqued at 100-150 foot pounds of torque.

If you want the highest degree of precision, and highest degree of reliability on POI/RTZ, then you need to use a properly torqued (100+ ft-lbs) shouldered barrel.
 
I will also suggest - drive before you buy. The AI AW was my dream rifle when I got into shooting years back. I was so dissappointed when I finally got to try one out and I didn't fit... not even remotely close. Was there anything wrong with the action, feeding, cycling, accuracy, etc, etc, etc... NOPE. I just didn't fit.

As it was set up, it was the smoothest feeding rifle I had ever used... trigger felt fine but my grip had to be all goofy to reach. The S&B on the rifle had one of the nicest glass I had looked through but its location and my head, well... no joy. The owner put it to good work shooting 8 clay pigeons in a row at 830yds in moderate winds.

if you fit, you will be very happy with the system. have not played with the new gen stuff but I expect it to be much better given the flexibility in ergonomics now possible in their stocks.

When you ask for accuracy, what are YOUR expectations? This is a working rifle with the priority to function under adverse conditions.. not winning BR contests. Can you make them into sub 1/2 MOA rifles? Yes.... would you want to use this set up for F class competition... NOPE.

how heavy is heavy to you? Some compete in PRS with rifles north of 20lbs.. and they carry them from stage to stage. Some want a 6lbs rifle to climb up a mountain.

wrt to how is it like to use? My experience was very positive... I put in a mag and it went click and locked... I closed the bolt and it eerily and smoothly loaded a cartridge... with a fair amount of discomfort, I aimed at the target and pulled the trigger.... the target went poof.... I cycled the bolt and the empty came out and was positively ejected into the grass next to me.

If I fit, I would have purchased one

Jerry
 
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