i was just wondering what kind of groups can you expect from one of these in .308? i know its a military rifle and not a custom but can she punch groups with the best of them(given the price). plus what are the pros and cons of this system? thanks.
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I like the folding stock, and the Rem conversion. The mags are some of the best. I watched the video where buddy bounced the rifle off the stock and then fires some groups, no change. Its not a cheap platform. The AE is the law enforcement rifle with the rest being the military version. Check out the website, or contact John at Wolverine,he's sold them for awhile and I'm sure can answer all you questions/concerns. Cheers
Wolverine lent me one for one summer. Both my wife and I were able to adjust it to be very comfortable. She loved the muzzle brake. It was very effective.
I have shot them in Bisley in sniper shoots using military ball ammo, and found it more accurate than I thought the ammo was capable of. The loaner was shot with handloads and shot anything we had as well or better than my target rifles.
The main advanatage of the rifle is the way the receiver is mated to the stock. It has no bedding to get wet or oily.
My wife loved it and has mentioned it from time to time when listing my failings in providing her needs. I just choked on the price.
I have shot them in Bisley in sniper shoots using military ball ammo, and found it more accurate than I thought the ammo was capable of. The loaner was shot with handloads and shot anything we had as well or better than my target rifles.
The main advanatage of the rifle is the way the receiver is mated to the stock. It has no bedding to get wet or oily.
My wife loved it and has mentioned it from time to time when listing my failings in providing her needs. I just choked on the price.
The mag system is great. The fact that the action and stock are integral is a good thing, but requires special tools for barrel changes. For its intended purpose, it is excellent, but in terms of accuracy, it is designed for hitting center of mass using cartridges designed for killing. It is not a rifle designed for benchrest or F-class shooting, although it should produce above average accuracy. Form optimal accuracy, the AICS on a match Remington 700 boiler would be the best of both worlds if the AI style is your thing.
My two AIs shoot ragged little holes all day long. I disagree with the comment that it is designed to hit centre of mass....that is too simplistic, they are precision rifles in every sense of the word. You can fine tune the loads as much as want but I regularly use the match loads from lapua and could not be happier. They are reliable, robust and outstanding....although expensive, in my mind they are worth it...
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I have shot one AI in 308 a few years back. The platform worked well and for its intended useage, well proven.
Mag feeding: eerily smooth. Too smooth and I consider this a negative.
Stock shape: very useful for field shooting. Grip did not fit my hand well. Head position did not fit me and the scope set up used (but this no biggie as you just muck about to fit yourself). Material is very durable.
Bedding system does its job well but I still like the idea of epoxy bedding so there is no chance of shifting.
As for accuracy, I would say 1/2 min is well within its performance potential.
Jerry
Mag feeding: eerily smooth. Too smooth and I consider this a negative.
Stock shape: very useful for field shooting. Grip did not fit my hand well. Head position did not fit me and the scope set up used (but this no biggie as you just muck about to fit yourself). Material is very durable.
Bedding system does its job well but I still like the idea of epoxy bedding so there is no chance of shifting.
As for accuracy, I would say 1/2 min is well within its performance potential.
Jerry
Pros:
A) They shoot perfectly right "out of the box". I mean consistent .950" at 300 M with .338 Lapua 250GR Scenars (and I'm a "barely adequate" shot). The .308s are no different. Further out the rifle will shoot as well as you can read the wind for the cartridge you're using;
B) They are virtually indestructible and built like a proverbial tank. They are an army guy rifle which means they were designed for something more than sitting on a shooting bench while being slouched over by Mr. Big Boiler. I've humped one all over hells half acre and subjected it to all kinds of real world brutality to no effect;
C) Require no fiddling *ucking around whatsoever to make them work; and
D) With the adjustable cheek piece and butt the ergonomics are very good IMHO.
Cons:
A) Price - big, big dollars
. Though, in their defence, buy one once and all you will ever have to replace are barrels (which you can easily do yourself without a gunsmith). There is nothing you can really upgrade to in terms of a production rifle. While DSRs are wickedly nice you aren't getting any more on target performance from them and smashing around the bush with one is analogous to taking your Ferrari Enzo 4X4ing. Before the custom boys immolate me I should note that a number of gunsmiths here and in the U.S. can build excellent rifles for less dough (in fact my next .308 will be a custom).
B) Limited bullet selection in the .338 platform. My .338s' magazines can't handle 300GR bullets because of the overall cartridge length. For some this is a fatal limitation. Again they are army guy guns designed to shoot factory match ammo.
C) Aesthetics - could be argued as both pro or con. They are to precision rilfes as Glocks are to pistols (utilitarian tools of consistent and predictable performance with no attention paid to how they look).
D) They demand good glass which is even more shekels.
You might want to check out: http://demigodllc.com/articles/military-338-lapua-rifles-trg42-awsm/
A) They shoot perfectly right "out of the box". I mean consistent .950" at 300 M with .338 Lapua 250GR Scenars (and I'm a "barely adequate" shot). The .308s are no different. Further out the rifle will shoot as well as you can read the wind for the cartridge you're using;
B) They are virtually indestructible and built like a proverbial tank. They are an army guy rifle which means they were designed for something more than sitting on a shooting bench while being slouched over by Mr. Big Boiler. I've humped one all over hells half acre and subjected it to all kinds of real world brutality to no effect;
C) Require no fiddling *ucking around whatsoever to make them work; and
D) With the adjustable cheek piece and butt the ergonomics are very good IMHO.
Cons:
A) Price - big, big dollars
. Though, in their defence, buy one once and all you will ever have to replace are barrels (which you can easily do yourself without a gunsmith). There is nothing you can really upgrade to in terms of a production rifle. While DSRs are wickedly nice you aren't getting any more on target performance from them and smashing around the bush with one is analogous to taking your Ferrari Enzo 4X4ing. Before the custom boys immolate me I should note that a number of gunsmiths here and in the U.S. can build excellent rifles for less dough (in fact my next .308 will be a custom).B) Limited bullet selection in the .338 platform. My .338s' magazines can't handle 300GR bullets because of the overall cartridge length. For some this is a fatal limitation. Again they are army guy guns designed to shoot factory match ammo.
C) Aesthetics - could be argued as both pro or con. They are to precision rilfes as Glocks are to pistols (utilitarian tools of consistent and predictable performance with no attention paid to how they look).
D) They demand good glass which is even more shekels.
You might want to check out: http://demigodllc.com/articles/military-338-lapua-rifles-trg42-awsm/
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Hands down, no arguing, the best production sniper rifle made today.
There are others like the DSR, Erma, Walther, etc, but as far as cost, funtionality, and servicability, the AI is bar none the best.
Your going to pay, but anything that good is bound to cost. Should you have the funds to buy one, purchase with no regrets and enjoy for a lifetime.
There are others like the DSR, Erma, Walther, etc, but as far as cost, funtionality, and servicability, the AI is bar none the best.
Your going to pay, but anything that good is bound to cost. Should you have the funds to buy one, purchase with no regrets and enjoy for a lifetime.
They are a very accurate rifle that I will shoot against any custom with in a tactical type match. Are they bench rest accurate? No, but you can't drag a bench gun through the mud, snow and what ever else and still shoot effectively.
My .308 avg's .5 moa or better with commercial match loads. I can shoot it better than the .338 version, but I have way more time on it than the .338 and I notice I am getting more used to the feel of the .338 as I get more time on it's trigger.
They are expensive and unless you need a gun that you can change the barrel out in a few minutes in case it falls out of a moving truck and be back up and running right away it might be better to buy something cheaper and spend the money on good glass and more ammo to practice with.
My .308 avg's .5 moa or better with commercial match loads. I can shoot it better than the .338 version, but I have way more time on it than the .338 and I notice I am getting more used to the feel of the .338 as I get more time on it's trigger.
They are expensive and unless you need a gun that you can change the barrel out in a few minutes in case it falls out of a moving truck and be back up and running right away it might be better to buy something cheaper and spend the money on good glass and more ammo to practice with.
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The AE is more than capable. For what most of us are doing its overkill. The AI is even more overbuilt than the AE. For the budget minded the AE is a good choice (keeping in mind that "budget minded" and AI/AE don't really go well in the same sentence). However, the last time I looked the AE wouldn't cost any more than a middle of the road custom build on a Rem action. There are some differences between the two variants but don't let it steer you away from the AE.
You said it Jess. I dropped some serious cheddar for a purpose built factory precision rifle and have yet to regret it; if the AI is as good as its reputation, pick one up, Gopher Slayer.
Wolverine has AWM and AE in stock. Where do you get your info?
