accuracy of .50cal and such calibers?

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i was just thinking about it today, and while i have a grasp on the concept of accuracy of the smaller calibers, for the larger ones i still think of it like the mythical "Head shot at 2 miles" type accuracy. is thinking of it more like regular calibers just keep the MOA and sub MOA accuracy out to longer distances?
 
If I recall correctly the longest sniper kill was in Afghanistan 2002-2003? By a Canadian sniper I believe it was something along the lines of 2430 meters. I also believe it did take him two shots though, still very good shooting! :eek: Id research it to make sure but Im in a bit of a rush. Ill check when I get home from work.

Steve :sniper:

PS: he was shooting a .50 cal.
 
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That was the right distance, but it was three shots. First came very close, second hit the guys pack, third finished it. Not that I am say that it is bad shooting, at that distance all three rounds were amazing from the sounds of it. Guy is now a leo in edmonton.
 
That was the right distance, but it was three shots. First came very close, second hit the guys pack, third finished it. Not that I am say that it is bad shooting, at that distance all three rounds were amazing from the sounds of it. Guy is now a leo in edmonton.

Was the bad guy sleeping? I mean .50BMG bullets hitting beside him few seconds appart, wouldn't he move? :sniper:
 
Was the bad guy sleeping? I mean .50BMG bullets hitting beside him few seconds appart, wouldn't he move? :sniper:
At over two kilonoeters, he likely didn't reaize what ws going on.
I'm not sure about how cloat the first sot was, I always though it was only two shots, the first hitting a water bag, packsac, or whatever he was carrying.
A person would not really associate a gunshot that far away with that, I would think...

Cat
 
The dispersion of shots from any firearm can be measured using minutes of angle.
One minute of angle is about 1.04" at 100 yards. At 1760 yards it would be about 18.3", at two miles 36.6" etc. Given everything that can happen to a bullet in flight, it is highly unlikely that a rifle will have the same grouping capability at extreme range that it will have at shorter ranges. Bullets will fall randomly within the theoretically possible group size at any range. It is obvious that at extreme ranges results are based to a great extent on probability - consider the size of the target, the potential accuracy of the rifle, and then consider the likelihood that the target will be struck.
 
We will have ALOT more data after this weekend to answer this question.

From my personal shooting, wind drift is what makes certain options poor.

The BMG has the best wind drift characteristics of any 'common' LR rig but it is rarely as accurate. IF the rifle was capable of mechanical MOA at 2km, steering it onto a man sized target is not difficult as long as the winds are steady or only mildly changing.

Smaller cals have an edge in pure short range accuracy (1000yds and in) by as much as 50% BUT become much harder to drive at extreme distances in the wind.

As an example, my 80gr Amax out of my 223 will make the trip to 1 mile with ease. In calm air, pretty accurate - call it MOAish. Add some gusts and for each MPH change, that bullet gets bounced 1min.

so a gusty 2 to 5MPH sidewind can move you 3 to 7ft if you don't catch it right. Throw in affects of tail and headwinds that can move you similar amounts and hitting a smallish object with this combo is tough.

You have taken a rifle with a mechanical accuracy of say 17" to a spray and pray device with a target zone maybe 7 to 14ft lateral, as much as 5mins of drop error - which force your bullet to land 10 to 30yds short OR long.

The head and tail winds have the same effect as dialing your scope 2 to 5mins up or down from where it is supposed to be. You got to be right on the ball with this rig.

By comparison, my 6.5 Mystic is easier to drive at 2km-2200yds

A BMG should drift about 50 to 70% less under the same conditions. So although the mechanical accuracy is similar/even worse, the drift zone is substantially smaller...

Like 1 to 2ft lateral and 1 to 2mins of drop error. If the winds were not bad that day, driving this type of ballistics is not that hard especially for a 'working' shooter. As he did, walking the shots on the target was a quick affair.

The big problem for him was likely spotting the conditions BEFORE sending that first shot. Otherwise, he would have been so far off the target that collateral damage a distinct possibility. Then he may not have seen the bullet impact and had no way of correcting.

However, once you see a puff, dialing in the wind is straightforward - didn't say easy.

With modern boomers, 1 mile is not very far away and a IPSC sized target is in great danger of getting smacked with only a sighter or two.

Jerry
 
I do beleive someone video taped it as I had seen it somewhere. the guy was dumfounded looking at his plastic grocery bag falling apart then a second or two later it was over.
 
50 cal accuracy

The record shot was made during a pretty heavy fire fight (operation Anaconda) as the canadian snipers were operating amongst US troops. They made several kills in the order of 1600m range during the op.
The 50 cal bullet (750 gr Amax bullet) is one with the highest BC > 1.00
therefore it is potentialy accurate. I understand that it is sometimes hard to reload as no match brass is available. This could change. I would think that reloading fireformed cases and preping them properly would help. Personaly I think the .338 Lapua is a potentialy more accurate combination. Lapua brass is available and match bullets also. The canadians should have 170 new PGW Timberwolfs by now. Those are more mobile also (lighter) even if the range is less (effective 1600m minimum, 250-300 grain bullets)
 
This weekend will test the bounds of some very interesting calibers. In our vehicle alone, there will be 4-Custom 308s, 2- Custom 338Lapua AIs, 1 Remington 338Lapua, 2-Custom 300WM and a 50BMG. One of our good friends from Fort McMurray has a couple video cameras; one having a 7mile remote system playing back to a large monitor where we will be set up which should be interesting. I'll be bringing my laptop to download video and save.
New to us is the 1st U.S. Optics 15-40x spotting scope to hit Canadian soil with a 1MOA Reticle in first focal so calling shots will be greatly increased for shooters.
I can't forget though the attitude we're bringing as well with regards to having a great time and learning from each others imput and ideas. It will be an event to talk about for a long time to come.

Cheers,

T
 
This weekend will test the bounds of some very interesting calibers. In our vehicle alone, there will be 4-Custom 308s, 2- Custom 338Lapua AIs, 1 Remington 338Lapua, 2-Custom 300WM and a 50BMG. One of our good friends from Fort McMurray has a couple video cameras; one having a 7mile remote system playing back to a large monitor where we will be set up which should be interesting. I'll be bringing my laptop to download video and save.
New to us is the 1st U.S. Optics 15-40x spotting scope to hit Canadian soil with a 1MOA Reticle in first focal so calling shots will be greatly increased for shooters.
I can't forget though the attitude we're bringing as well with regards to having a great time and learning from each others imput and ideas. It will be an event to talk about for a long time to come.

Cheers,

T

Hopefully you don't get any more snow like today...

I don't think long distance shooters have ever had so many neat guns and other toys as they do today...
 
The 50s can be very accurate. 1/2 moa is 1/2 moa regardless of the caliber.
The big advantage the 50s have is that the bullets are very heavy in comparison to most other calibers, making the trajectory and wind drift far easier to predict.
They are NOT flat shooting, but do have the benefit of physics going for them, the big bullets take longer to slow down and more wind is required to make them drift substantially.


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