Accuracy Problem

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Well I have had my Norc M213 for a while now and it works great for the most part. No FTF or FTE. My problem is that it doesnt shoot where you aim. It seems to shoot about 12 inches low and all over the place. Out of the 50 rounds fired only three went where they were aimed the rest didnt even hit the target. I took the gun apart and cleaned the #### out of it but it wasnt that dirty. I dont have any problems hitting the target with a .22 or .45

Anyone have any idea why its shooting like this?(beside me being a terrible shot) and if there is anything I can do to fix it?

Hope someone can help. Thanks.
 
I just checked my sights and they are both staggered. The front sight is off centre to the right and the rear sight is off centre to the left.

Still not sure why it shoots low though.
 
I've got a Norc M-201(Tokaregypt) and I find its all trigger for me. Not crisp at all. Maybe try snap-caps to become more familiar with the trigger. After 400 +/- rounds I'm getting it zeroed not bad. Even managed to shoot a few gophers with it ( its good to live in the sticks sometimes).
 
Out of the two I got one shot really nicely after just the first couple of magazines. The other took around 100 to 150 rounds through it before it "broke in". I'm not sure if it's something to do with the rifling smoothing down or the need for the barrel to find a consistent seating in the slide lock grooves but until the last session the one gun was pretty much a "spay paint gun". Now it's shooting as nice as the first.

If you've got big hands then these are hard guns to hold well due to the size of the grips and how slippery they can get. The frame and grips are so small that I can actually shoot just as well one handed as with two. Watch that your thumbs are not dragging on the slide too.

Also without a trigger job the trigger pull can be very heavy and that can easily lead to pulling off aim when it fires if you don't have good trigger control. But if you're doing fine with a .22 and .45 then I'd say it's more about the idea that you need to shoot it more to break it in.

Finally on mine I found that, likely due to the small grip size, the trigger likes a "lot of finger" on it. I found that it shoots to the left strongly unless I put the trigger fully half way between the tip and first knuckle. I found that I can actually see this jump to the left when dry firing it and how moving the contact point further up my finger takes away this jump when dry firing.
 
It doesn't shoot where I aim....

Operator error? :p

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NAA.
 
I am not sure how to go about moving the front sight so would it be best to align the rear sight(if I can get it to move) to the front sight even though it wont be centred?
 
There's just no point in moving the sights until it starts shooting a decently tight group. Just suffer through this part and keep dumping rounds through it until it settles down and starts shooting 4 to 5 inch groups at around 15 yards. The groups may not be where you're aiming but as long as you can aim at a spot and the gun makes a decent group somewhere on the target then you can do something effective to the sights. Until that time you're just messing around for nothing.

If that one of mine is anything to go by you need to put another two or maybe three boxes through it.
 
What do they say ?...you get what you pay for?...

this guns are designed for close combat distance shooting ~ 10-15 feet

that's one reason why you can not expect custom handgun accuracy....

makes sense ?
 
BCRider said:
There's just no point in moving the sights until it starts shooting a decently tight group. Just suffer through this part and keep dumping rounds through it until it settles down and starts shooting 4 to 5 inch groups at around 15 yards. The groups may not be where you're aiming but as long as you can aim at a spot and the gun makes a decent group somewhere on the target then you can do something effective to the sights. Until that time you're just messing around for nothing.

If that one of mine is anything to go by you need to put another two or maybe three boxes through it.
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I just made up a couple hundred 9mm rounds so I will have to go and see if groupings improve.
 
polaris said:
What do they say ?...you get what you pay for?...

this guns are designed for close combat distance shooting ~ 10-15 feet

that's one reason why you can not expect custom handgun accuracy....

makes sense ?
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Frankly no it doesn't. Mine shoot better than I'm able to manage. I thought I was happy with roughly 3 inch groups at around 12 yards. I let a better shooter try one of mine and he managed a 2 inch group for the 8 shots at the same range. My jaw dropped when I saw the ragged and small hole he left after using a gun he had not held before. Based on this I'd have to say that the gun itself is even more accurate than what he was able to shoot. He walked off with the off hand comment "not bad for what ya paid for it....". I'd say I got a bargain.... :D

It may not be up to custom handgun accuracy and at this price not ALL of them will perform the same but they were a bargain for the vast majority of us by any standard that you want to apply. Granted yes, they were intended for up close and personal but they are far, far better than that in most cases.
 
Yes it would assuming the gun is grouping decently already.

http://www.is-lan.com/challenge/images/Pistol-Correction.pdf

I found with the small stock grips that I needed to use a "lot more finger" to avoid pushing to the left. If you've got bigger hands it's definetly not a 1911 like tip of the pad but rather more like a closer to the first knuckle revolver sort of deal to avoid pushing the bullets to the left (assuming right hand shooter).
 
I will give the correction target a go but the problem is most shots dont hit the 8x11 targets as it is. I will bring the target closer so i can see what is going on a little better.

I will pay close attention to my finger position when shooting as well.

Thanks for the help.
 
Bring the target in - like 1 meter total distance - to start with.

Put them all in one hole then start pushing the distance outwards.

If it still isn't grouping, benchrest it or get someone else to try it to see if it is truely a hardware problem.
 
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