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Hi there,
I often see comments like "out of the box accurate",correct me if I'm wrong but don't most hunters mount scopes and therefore have to boresight and therefore 'out of the box accurate' is irrelevent.My own Tikka T3 .223 was about 9" out after the store had 'boresighted' the Leopold scope,I had to get it closer myself.Obviously shooting without a scope is a different story.
TM.
 
I think out of the box accuracy refers to how accurate the rifle can shoot without modifications on internals. Optics whether they be open or scoped are irrelevant as that is shooter error.

A good out of the box accuracy is 1 MOA, perhaps with a trigger job, some handloads and some other things, you can acheive better accuracy, but thats beyond the 'out of the box' category.

Different rifles are capable of different accuracies right out of the box, I'm fairly certain most modern day rifles however will get you at least 1.5" right out of the box (shooting through a scope)

AFAIK
 
Out-of-the-box accuracy means just that. How well a rifle shoots without doing anything or adding a scope.
"...about 9" out..." As in 9" off centre? Likely the ammo, but it might have been the guy who bore sighted it. Mind you, bore sighting just gets you on paper. It's not the same as sighting in with ammo the rifle shoots best. Either by trying a box of as many brands as you can or working up a hand load.
"...at least 1.5" right out of the box..." Depends on the ammo. Any rifle that can use milsurp ammo will not be as accurate out of the box as one using factory hunting ammo.
 
Onagoth said:
I think out of the box accuracy refers to how accurate the rifle can shoot without modifications on internals. Optics whether they be open or scoped are irrelevant as that is shooter error.

A good out of the box accuracy is 1 MOA, perhaps with a trigger job, some handloads and some other things, you can acheive better accuracy, but thats beyond the 'out of the box' category.

Different rifles are capable of different accuracies right out of the box, I'm fairly certain most modern day rifles however will get you at least 1.5" right out of the box (shooting through a scope)

AFAIK
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They mean accurate, as in repeatable accuracy, not pre-sighted in.
 
hi there,
i agree sunray.it was just on my paper target 10' x 10''.It now hits gophers at 200 yards.
my point is however whats the point of bragging about 'out of the box accuracy' if you're going to put a scope on it ?? I read it mostly from Savage fans.Don't get me wrong it aint a bad thing but it means nothing once a scope is mounted and sighted.
good point grizzlypeg,repeatable accuracy is a good thing with or without a scope.
atb
TM.
 
"...whats the point of..." Inherent accuracy. If a rifle doesn't shoot well as it comes out of the factory, a scope isn't going to fix it. Even with good ammo.
Savage rifles have the reputation of being extremely accurate out of the box, for the money asked for one. Epp's, for example, wants $673.65 for a Savage 25 Lightweight Varminter Thumbhole in .223. $893.37 for a Remington VTR in .223. Not quite the same, but close. Both will shoot well out of the box, but $219.72 will scope it with a decent scope.
 
Basically, if all the shots land in the within a half inch of the same point on the paper, then it's accurate. Whether they're centered or 9" off is irrelevant to whether it's accurate; that's just adjusting the scope. Now, if one shot was 9" high and to the right, the next was in the bull, and the third was 9" low and to the left, we'd be talking about a not-very-accurate rifle.

ETA: If you're a statistics geek, then what people mean by out-of-the-box accuracy, or minute-of-angle accuracy, is what the statistics geeks call precision, and what you'll adjust with the scope is what the statistics geeks call accuracy. But shooters and statistics geeks don't necessarily mean the same things by the same words...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accuracy_and_precision

(yes, I'm a bit of a statistics geek...)
 
You are taking the term a little to literally tankman. "Out of the box" is refering to a firearm that is stock in it's construction. This does not refer to how the sights, whether they be iron or glass, are zeroed when new. Some rifles are inherently more accurate than others by virtue of the style of action used (bolt actions tend to be more consistent than a semi-auto) and/or manufacturing process (better tolerances in barrels, better trigger groups, etc...). We are not referring to buying a rifle off the shelf and picking the legs off moths at 300 yards...with no sights.
 
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