Accuracy????

I too am interested in this, as Im just starting to get my feet wet in longer distances.

Was getting 4" avg groups @ 320 yards for 5 shots with my 260 Remington last week. Best group was a 2.1" 3 shot.
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The reason that I have asked is because I just started working with a Rem 700P chambered in 223 with a Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24X mil-dot reticle scope.

I am getting from 2.5" to 3" 7 shot groups on a breezy day with 60gr Sierra HP Varminter bullets and 23.5grs H322 and 2.28" OAL 3010fps average velocity.

I feel that I should be able to do far better though so was curious what my goal should be.
 
1 MOA will keep you competitive but as I recently found out reading the wind is the key. Consistency is probably the most important factor though. If you have the odd flyer into the 9 ring you can still win by getting consistent Xs(11 points) and 10s.

I hope more people reply to this post because I certainly am not the most experienced shooter when it come to F class and I know there is a wealth of knowledge out there many of us can benefit from.
 
not sure about 'average', but to be competitive you will need to be able to shoot about a 1.5" group at 300 yards with no wind. 1" would be better.
 
If you read the thread about my Ruger No.1, there is a post in there that makes referance to Ed Bagg's last rounds he shot with the rifle in a competition.

I think it was 17 into something like a 2" group at 600?
I don't think that is typical, but certainly not out of the question.

A good irons rifle will shoot less thhan MOA at any distance......
Cat
 
A lot of guys will score 13-15/15 V-bulls at 300m. You can't afford to drop too many at short range. If you drop one it had better still be a 5.
 
A typical DCRA target has about a 2 minute bull and a 1 minute "V" Bull. In F Class V's are worth 6 points. The accuracy of your rifle (in most cases) is how much vertical dispersion there is, using the same point of aim. Getting the wind right is all up to the nut behind the butt.
Each sub-class in the F Class F(O), F(F) and F(M) mat require different "V" counts to win, but in the end the person with the most in the middle wins.
 
The 300 yd V is 2.75" so you must stay well inside that. The tighter the group the more room you have to be off a bit with wind changes. Same applies to TR as well.
 
Shooting "F" class at the standard 300 meter target, you can do quite well with a rifle which will stay in 2". If shooting on the international target, you'll want somewhat better than that and a rifle which will shoot around 3/8 moa (about 1 1/4 inches at 300M) is necessary to have much chance of shooting a perfect score.
Generally speaking, for most "F" class competition, I'm pretty happy with a 5/8 moa rifle but for the hotly contested 300M international matches, a 5/8 rifle is unlikely to win anything unless everyone else suffers an equioment failure! Regards, Bill.
 
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Camp Cook said:
The reason that I have asked is because I just started working with a Rem 700P chambered in 223 with a Bushnell Elite 4200 6-24X mil-dot reticle scope.

I am getting from 2.5" to 3" 7 shot groups on a breezy day with 60gr Sierra HP Varminter bullets and 23.5grs H322 and 2.28" OAL 3010fps average velocity.

I feel that I should be able to do far better though so was curious what my goal should be.
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I am amazed at your groups shooting 60 grns with 322. I found it
fine with 40s but 50s and over would not hold up once you got out 200
yds or more. Went to Benchmark and got 100 yds down to 1/4" and 200yds
down to 1". Haven't done the 300 yet. You might want to try it for 300
as it moves them out a lot flatter for me. I use a Cooper 14 twist so cant
really shoot 60 grns, with that twist in my rifle.
 
You may want to look at it a bit differently. F class and Palma shooter want to have a rifle that will shoot sub 1/2 moa at 100 yards to be competitive. This means your gun with shoot 1.5 moa at 300 and 5 inches at 1000. Then it is up to the shooter to keep his groups that tight.
Imagine if you have a gun that shoots .8 moa at 100 and your competitor has one that shoots .4 you are already at a disadvantage for the longer distances. Groups do not tighten up the further you go out. Maybe you can have a tigher group at 200 instead of 100 because the bullet took longer to go to sleep but for the most part if you have a 1moa gun at hundred you have a 10 moa at 1,000

Her is an excerpt from a Palm shooter and what he considers accurate. Remember this is for 10 SHOOTS
Being Competitive--Pure Accuracy Always Helps
Prone rifles these days need to shoot .75 MOA at 1000 for 10 shots to be competitive. The best guns I have will shoot about .4 MOA. I think anything under .6 MOA is a competitive advantage, anything over .8 MOA needs further work. Rest assured your top competitors will be at that level or better
 
slaym my rifle twist is 1 in 9" and the 60gr HP Varminter bullet was recommended to me by one of the Sierra Bulletsmiths. He said to try Varget for my top load but I am unable to find any around so I have been using my H322 and have been amazed at the accuracy.

The load is not as fast as I would like but the accuarcy has made me very happy so far. I just need to learn how to use the mil-dot scope a bit better.

Better vision would also help...... I'm getting older now and I can only see 20-40 in my (right)aiming eye. That's right guys I can't see but can still shoot like this....... :eek:
 
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