accurate .308 semi????

if you want a purely hunting rifle go with one of the BARs browning has to offer.

Personally, I wanted a paper punching machine and one that could double as a hunting rifle.

I went with a Norinco M14S because ammo is widely abundant, can easily upgrade and modify the hell of it AND my M14 shoots great.. great groups at 100 yards.

Its a bit heavy, but I'm working on that.
 
Dosing you bastard. You beat me to the punch on the Voere de kufstein. They make excellent rifles! My father has an old K98 action 7mm remington magnum, and the thing is as good as day one with hundreds of rounds through it. Very well made. Heck they are Austrian (well kept secret). Take a look at them. They have some cool barrell combinations with swap out bolt faces and all sorts of neat packages. If you have a remington, and use it for hunting or safety http://www.voere.com/das_sicherheitsspannschloss.htm take a look at that. No sence in carrying a rifle to protect you from a bear when you shoot yourself hahaha. If only I had the coin kicking around I would get one in a heartbeat (and if it was lefty friendly)
 
PSG-1 scope can be removed from the factoy base, it is bolted in from the bottom of the base up into the scope itself. It also out shot the WA-2000 when we were in Nevada. Unfortuanly someone here was correct, it is prohib now and those very few in Canadian civilian hands will be nothing more then dust collectors now. To me, it is the most awsome semi sniper ever built. A gun collector who is a very good friend has one, of which he claims is one of 3-5 in civilian hands in Canada, I have never shot it, but I have played with it quite a few times, it is truely awsome.

Now on a rifle that is not resticted, I have to agree with Airborn 69, the M1A Supermatch.
 
Another cool prohib you guys skipped, is the MSG-90 kind of more affordable PSG-1..

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I know a guy who has a H&K SR9 for sale for $3500 but I don't have a prohib licence.

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I will bite. F**K THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!! stop with the rifle ####. Because of the actions of some pompus bafoons in Ottawa the decision was made that they are more fit to send people to die than allow them to own a service rifle. SR9 *drool*
 
Lots of "talk" about accurate rifles.
Anyone actually shot one and has some group sizes to brag about?
What rifle?
Ammo?
Consistent group size?
My M14S was putting 3 of my own loads into about an inch at 100 yds. Admittedly the action was bedded, it had a trigger job, I filled in the rear sight and redrilled it to a smaller size and I milled the front sight narrower. Except for those mods, the rifle was stock.
I wasn't wearing bifocals then either.

Good Luck
John
 
JohnnyJ said:
Lots of "talk" about accurate rifles.
Anyone actually shot one and has some group sizes to brag about?
What rifle?
Ammo?
Consistent group size?
My M14S was putting 3 of my own loads into about an inch at 100 yds. Admittedly the action was bedded, it had a trigger job, I filled in the rear sight and redrilled it to a smaller size and I milled the front sight narrower. Except for those mods, the rifle was stock.
I wasn't wearing bifocals then either.

Good Luck
John
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I am going with a similar M14S system myself...It is the way to go!$$
 
I have to agree that in Canada staying in the non-restricted catagory the M1A/ M-305 done up are probably some of your best all around choices. The PSG-1 was every shooters wet dream since the late 80's for me and probably the most accurate semi in manufacture. In my opinion and reading up on alot of work being done around some of the AR-10's such as the SASS the DPMS, JP-enterprises the AR-10 platform is every bit as accurate as the PSG-1. I think that the PSG-1 gets it's notoriaty based more on its unatainability and awe factor more than performance. But thats just my opinion.

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Armalite SASS (comes without suppressor in Canada);)
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Just got to add in about a month or so this is how my M14 will be done up. It is already accurate now its going to be ergonomic. Will post pics when its done.
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I think that the PSG-1 gets it's notoriaty based more on its unatainability and awe factor more than performance. But thats just my opinion.


You couldn't be any further from the truth,Long Range Canuck!The PSG1 is to this day the most accurate Semi.It is probably as accurate as a semiauto can be.That's the reason Germans PSK and GSG9 favour it over any other rifle.I don't think any of the above mentioned rifles come even close to the expected accuracy standard of a PSG1 (50 rounds @300m of 1moa).-Rainer
 
The PSG-1 certainly has more notoriaty then any other semi on the planet, and there are some fantastic semi's out htere, byut when I saw all those semi's shot in Nevada, and everything under the sun was there, nothing out shot the PSG-1. On that note, I have to agree with the fact that the PSG-1 is popular based on all the stories and just the basic legend behind it.

One thing I have to add, my friend who owns one told me that it would cost close to $8000.00 just to replace the barrel if needed.

LongRangeCanuck,

That M1 is out of this world, just plain awsome looking.
 
rainer said:
I think that the PSG-1 gets it's notoriaty based more on its unatainability and awe factor more than performance. But thats just my opinion.


You couldn't be any further from the truth,Long Range Canuck!The PSG1 is to this day the most accurate Semi.It is probably as accurate as a semiauto can be.That's the reason Germans PSK and GSG9 favour it over any other rifle.I don't think any of the above mentioned rifles come even close to the expected accuracy standard of a PSG1 (50 rounds @300m of 1moa).-Rainer
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You could be perfectly right rainer, I have never had the opurtunity to personaly try one and compare it with a higher end AR in .308 and based my opinion on the fact alot of those "Tuned AR-10" type rifles are shooting 1/2" and under which is right up there with the PSG-1 in capable hands. The qualifying test you post of 1MOA is a standard minimum for military precision rifles 1"@100yrds....or as you put it 3"@ 300yrds. I know there are other factors such as weight, ballance, trigger pull, ergonomics that go into forming what makes a great rifle. Alot of that would come down to personal preference, but as far as accuracy goes Alot of rifles have come along way in that area since the PSG-1 arived on scene and paved the way for pinpoint repeatable accuracy in semi-auto's. Again my view is opinion based on a little bit of reading and may be wrong so feel free to correct my understanding, but to come to a honest conclusion to this thread a side by side comparison would have to be done, but as far as the groupings would go I would be suprised to see the PSG-1 significantly ahead, if ahead at all.

All Opinion aside, I would give my left and right nut for a PSG-1:D
 
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The PSG-1 certainly has more notoriaty then any other semi on the planet, and there are some fantastic semi's out htere, byut when I saw all those semi's shot in Nevada, and everything under the sun was there, nothing out shot the PSG-1. On that note, I have to agree with the fact that the PSG-1 is popular based on all the stories and just the basic legend behind it.

One thing I have to add, my friend who owns one told me that it would cost close to $8000.00 just to replace the barrel if needed.

LongRangeCanuck,

That M1 is out of this world, just plain awsome looking.
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Steve I helped work out the importation of the JAE stock with a mutual friend of ours who I can't name in public on this board. If your interested give me or him a shout. I tried to do it on my own but was so much easier with his co-operation. He is now the Canadian Dist.

Ask your friend what type of groups he is pulling off with his PSG-1, I am extreamly interested in the data, even if it proves my opinion seriously in the wrong.
 
Having fired the PSG 1, the MSG, the SR9 CT and the M21 Supermatch I can tell you that the PSG 1 earns it's merit. I did find that at 100m the SR9 CT is more accurate and even though lighter, it is gentler to shoot and of course a fraction of the cost and far easier to move with. The PSG 1 stabalizes farther out, my groups were better at 200m than they were at 100m. The m21 supermatch is not even close to the PSG 1. The HK's ruin brass and throw it nearly 15 m from your position, making it a poor snipers rifle for military purposes. They all like different ammo. The SR9 likes Federal Match, the PSG likes Winchester Match, the M21 liked standard ball?

The PSG 1 comes in a huge wooden crate inside of which is the aluminum box and all the kit, plus the factory test target.
 
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Having fired the PSG 1, the MSG, the SR9 CT and the M21 Supermatch I can tell you that the PSG 1 earns it's merit. I did find that at 100m the SR9 CT is more accurate and even though lighter, it is gentler to shoot and of course a fraction of the cost and far easier to move with. The PSG 1 stabalizes farther out, my groups were better at 200m than they were at 100m. The m21 supermatch is not even close to the PSG 1. The HK's ruin brass and throw it nearly 15 m from your position, making it a poor snipers rifle for military purposes. They all like different ammo. The SR9 likes Federal Match, the PSG likes Winchester Match, the M21 liked standard ball?

The PSG 1 comes in a huge wooden crate inside of which is the aluminum box and all the kit, plus the factory test target.
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Pistol Pete have you tried them against any of the Tuned AR-10 type rifles? the MSG and SR9 are both H&K...the M21 is a M-14 on steroids although a great rifle I would not put it in the same catagory as far as the PSG1 or Tuned AR-10 rifles. I envy your experiance behind the HK's and would love the oportunity. I hope I am not sounding antagonistic or be-littleing your post, your experiance with it is great info but I dont think has answered what I was looking for. May I ask what kind of groups were you getting with the PSG-1 in comparison with the MSG, was it a significant difference?
 
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Airborn_69 said:
Anybody got data on the Springfield Armory M25?
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This Help? from impact guns

The M25 White Feather Tactical/Carlos Hathcock model M1A utilizes the Springfield Armory threaded, rear-lugged receiver, M-14 magazine, Low-Profile Custom Muzzle Break/Stabilizer and a Krieger Carbon Heavy Match Barrel with a 1:10 twist. In a special arrangement with the estate and family of Carlos Hathcock, each M25 White Feather receiver is engraved with likeness of Carlos Hathcock's signature, along with the White Feather logo.
Special features in our package:
McMillian Fiberglass Stock (M35-blk) w/spacer recoil pad system
Precision Reflex M1A rigid rail scope mount
Harris bipod w/QD stud installed
Welded custom Match gas system
Bolt lapped anf fitted
Pillar glass bedded
Custom Match op rod spring guide
1/2 MOA (100 yds) with factory recommended ammunition
Caliber- 7.62mm NATO (.308 Win.)
Barrel- 22"", Twist: 1 turn in 10 inches, right hand Krieger Carbon Heavy Match
Size Weight (without scope)- 12.7 pounds, Length: 46"" long
Mechanism- Rotating bolt, gas operated, air cooled, semi-automatic, magazine fed rifle
Sights- Scope only, no provisions for iron sights
Capacity- 10 round box magazine*
Trigger Pull- SA M25 Match Adjustable Trigger (1.5-4.75 lbs.)
 
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