ACR: First Impressions

suprathepeg said:
If like the Americans you compare it to an AR then it is way over priced.
Click to expand...

So then maby thats the better question, you can buy a top of the line LMT MRP for over 1k less then the ACR... I would wager that the LMT would destroy this ACR on all levels, again just my opinion though.

So, it seems the only benefit to this ACR is the potential NR status. When you compare other quality kit available, and leave out our laws, most would be considered insane to consider the ACR. Perhaps thats why ACR sales suck in the US.
 
proflui said:
I am concern about whether it is possible to mount a single point sling on the right side of the rifle. I do not see it is possible with the folding stock. And yes I am a lefty.
Click to expand...

With the folding stock, no. Fixed stock (which they all come with), yes.

FrankieT said:
So the question is...
Is this rifle a keeper, or will she be on the EE. By the way, nice scope ;)
Click to expand...

Thanks. ;) Probably; will really depends on how it shoots, but all indications are that it will perform really well. And it's hard to beat the non-restricted status... Might depend on that elusive SCAR...

50calshooter said:
So the other question...

ACR sales have plummeted in the states due to the price it was launched at and is currently being sold at. It seems the American crowd thought it was waaay over priced for what you got, what's your thought on this?

Based on US MSRP is the rifle worth the extra thousand up here?
Click to expand...

The reality is that there's a lot of competition in the US in the $2,500 price range (and certainly below), and Magpul originally put the price point at around $1,500 for a sub-6lbs gun - neither of which they've been able to deliver on - and I think both of those are sticking points in people's minds.

The US has different regulations with respect to their firearms, so it's hard to make a direct comparison to what restricted/non-restricted means for Canadians. Is it worth $500-$750 more than an XCR? No question - yes. Is it worth an extra $1,000 or so over a comparable (in terms of quality) AR15 for the coveted non-restricted status? Maybe.

Your only other choices are a Swiss Arms (even heavier and more expensive), Tavor (not as accurate, horrible trigger) or FS2000 (magazine compatibility issues) - the latter both being bullpup designs. None of these has the same real estate for optics or accessories, either. If price is the absolute issue, I guess there's always the Benelli MR1.

I guess it really depends on the end application. I love my AR15, and I wouldn't give it up for anything. It's just a riot to shoot. If I could make it non-restricted with an 18.5" barrel would I? Nope - because for me the shorter barrel/compact aspect is part of the appeal of the AR15 and I think that the ACR with the folding/collapsible stock is a better setup.
 
50calshooter said:
So then maby thats the better question, you can buy a top of the line LMT MRP for over 1k less then the ACR... I would wager that the LMT would destroy this ACR on all levels, again just my opinion though.

So, it seems the only benefit to this ACR is the potential NR status. When you compare other quality kit available, and leave out our laws, most would be considered insane to consider the ACR. Perhaps thats why ACR sales suck in the US.
Click to expand...

Yes, I would say the major (if not sole) benefit for Canadians is the NR status of the ACR.

The Giant said:
I think it is strange that people spend three grand on a rifle then want to buy a new barrel for it. Hey have at it though.
Click to expand...

The barrel is what allows the status to be changed to non-restricted.
 
blaxsun said:
Yes, I would say the major (if not sole) benefit for Canadians is the NR status of the ACR.
Click to expand...

Yeah, it's a tough call for sure. I do like the look waaay better then the XCR. I guess if you didn't have convenient access to a range then it may be worth the extra doe based on the NR status.

I'm looking forward to seeing how these perform, if they run good then you may see a big drop in XCR sales...
 
blaxsun said:
... Just a few quick technical specifications: the ACR weighs-in at 8.19lbs (3716g); the lower is 1.94lbs (879g) which the upper assembly is 6.25lbs (2837g). The majority of this weight is apparently in the barrel itself, and it's unusually heavy (just shy of 2.6lbs or 1175g). Incidentally, Questar's 18.7" NR match barrel is only 0.95kg - so despite being longer, even with the piston/quick-release assembly it should come it at a few ounces less.

...
Click to expand...

Not sure where the above figure came from (on our barrel weight) but it is NOT correct... at least it does not match what I have myself measured.

Let me give you some actual (correct) weights:

  • Weight on our stripped 18.7" SS ACR barrel is: 1.04kg
  • Weight of our barrel with the ACR parts installed: 2.95lbs
  • Weight of the factory ACR barrel with parts installed: 2.60lbs
  • Weight of the Standard/Basic gun with our barrel installed: 8.50lbs

Our barrel adds @ 0.35lbs to the weight of the complete rifle.

All measurements were made using a calibrated electronic shipping scale and are accurate.

Mark
 
Cool gun but the XCR jab was kind of sad.

Do you really need to bring down another gun to make this one seem better? Maybe if this gun could stand on it's own merits I'd be more interested...
 
50calshooter said:
Yeah, it's a tough call for sure. I do like the look waaay better then the XCR. I guess if you didn't have convenient access to a range then it may be worth the extra doe based on the NR status.

I'm looking forward to seeing how these perform, if they run good then you may see a big drop in XCR sales...
Click to expand...

I suspect you'll see a big drop in SL8 sales too. Second hand should reflect this too but on the EE you guys know how it is. So who knows. I think the SL8 new however might be a hard sell though once these are main stream.

Questar what's the accuracy expectation with the ACR and those match barrels?
 
here's a good question though, since the ACR has a quick change barrel system, will it be still classified as non-restricted when you switch to a shorter barrel?
 
mr_nuts31 said:
here's a good question though, since the ACR has a quick change barrel system, will it be still classified as non-restricted when you switch to a shorter barrel?
Click to expand...

i thimk but am not sure that once you change the barrel i believe you have 30 days to notify the cfc of the change. so i guess it is still non restricted for thirty days with a restricted barrel. after that i would think you broke the law. someone please correct me if i wrong.
 
Ebola said:
i thimk but am not sure that once you change the barrel i believe you have 30 days to notify the cfc of the change. so i guess it is still non restricted for thirty days with a restricted barrel. after that i would think you broke the law. someone please correct me if i wrong.
Click to expand...

I think it becomes a restricted firearm as soon as you change the barrel. If it were the way you described, everyone would have ultra short rifles at the range and they'd be back to long barrel for storage.
 
JD Spanner said:
I think I'd prefer the non railed handguard and just add a rail where needed.
Click to expand...

There were only a few with the tri-rail, so I believe the majority will have the polymer hand guard.

Questar said:
Not sure where the above figure came from (on our barrel weight) but it is NOT correct... at least it does not match what I have myself measured.
Click to expand...

From you guys. ;) I just took the (original) number you provided with me at face value without re-weighing it, but no worries (appreciate the correction, thanks). I would imagine it will be a few grams less with the optional threading. Also note that the weight of the factory upper was with the aluminium tri-rail and not the polymer hand guard (the hand guard is longer, so it could end up being a wash).

50calshooter said:
It definitely would look better with the longer 18.5 inch barrel thats for sure. Thats kinda why I found the XCR to look so ugly.
Click to expand...

Agreed. The tri-rail probably makes more sense for a bipod, light/laser or other accessories. I'm still on the fence between the two.

Dan556 said:
Looks pretty sharp, but at $3k, that's Swiss Arms territory...
Click to expand...

Nothing is in Swiss Arms "territory" except HK. By the time you factor in the lower that accepts standard AR magazines, new stock assembly and low profile mount you're easily in the $4k-range (the quad rail will put you over $5k alone, and we won't even touch on the weight...).

Fenix.NZ said:
i really like the new style stocks that the ACR and SCAR are using
Click to expand...

Yes, and I am finding it a bit easier to use after playing around with it for a bit.

Koenig Tiger said:
Cool gun but the XCR jab was kind of sad. Do you really need to bring down another gun to make this one seem better? Maybe if this gun could stand on it's own merits I'd be more interested...
Click to expand...

I would have thought that as the underdog most XCR users would have developed more of a sense of humour by now, but apparently not... This is my first impressions of the ACR, and as beauty is in the eye of the beholder I'll leave my first (lasting) impressions of the XCR for another day (and another thread). I'll leave it to someone more capable to post some range reports between the two, and then people can decide from there.

mr_nuts31 said:
here's a good question though, since the ACR has a quick change barrel system, will it be still classified as non-restricted when you switch to a shorter barrel?
Click to expand...

Nope, for the simple reason that the piston/quick-release assembly for a second barrel is basically unobtanium. So after you cannibalize the components for the NR barrel, you essentially have a 1kg paperweight. Assuming that you could find the components, you'd have to have it re-registered as restricted, though.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom