Action for 6PPC

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First, I know nothing about custom built rifles......I am considering having a sporter style rifle built to chamber 6ppc. What is the right action size for this cartridge....what cal/rifle would give the best results?
 
Anything that handles a 223 ought to be able to handle a PPC. The same could be said of a .308-sized action, but it would take more work to get it to feed from a mag, and it's easier to open up a 223 bolt face than to make a 308 bolt face smaller
 
Sako builds an action for the 6mm PPC and Brownell's used to carry the action (they stopped about 5 years ago IIRC.)

You will have to hunt for one now.

Whatever you do, don't let someone build one on a REM 700 short action and add a Sako extractor. From what I've read it is a very dangerous modification. Someone with skill would have to open a .223 Rem boltface and build a custom extractor that is a copy of the Remington one.

You might want to consider purchasing a CZ 527 Carbine in 7.62x39mm. From what I’ve read they are a handy little brush gun that has the option of open sights or a scope (they even come with a set trigger.) That way you could blast away with some cheap Czech surplus ammo or create your own handloads for hunting.

Plus, if you ever got tired of it, you could always rebarrel it to 6mm PPC. The 6mm PPC may have the accuracy advantage, but it would be cheaper to shoot the 7.62x39mm and it would do better on deer I think. Unless of course you really want it to be a target rifle too.

Just my two cents worth…
 
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Have you considered the 6BR? That is a no brainer to build and will work with any 308 bolt face action. You just need to put in the proper mag block for proper feeding.

Will also give you more bullet options. The PPC is a bit small for the 6mm heavies in a short barrel.

Both are equally accurate.

If you have your heart set on the PPC, you should be able to make a Savage/Stevens with the new center feed mag work. Sharp Shooters Supply sells a longer extractor so that the PPC can work off a 308 bolt face. Not ideal but it is functional.

Personally, I would consider the longer 6-22/250 and the many wildcats and variants now available. More horsepower if you want it for hunting, very accurate, can load up or down for whatever performance you want, will run happily in any domestic commercial action.

But then, the 243 would do all of this in a $325 rifle...

Jerry
 
I would favour the 6mm BR using Lapua brass and a no neck turn chamber, or a 6mm-250 for easier ease of feeding.

I would never consider the 6mmPPC unless you intend to shoot competitively and then only using a custom action and stock.
 
Thanks for the input / opinions. I'm glad I asked.... the 6BR makes sense. Also intrigued with the idea of the 6/250. What is a good source of informathion on these options?
 
mysticplayer said:
Both are equally accurate.
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Come on Jerry, you'd need a flame suit on if you said that on Benchrest Central. :eek:

JEC, what do you want to do with this gun? Single shot only? How far do you want to shoot? How accurate do you want? Do you want to learn all the necessary things to really get the accuracy out of a 300Y and less 6PPC ?

If we're talking about short range shoots with those that know what they are doing the 6PPC wins GROUP matches 99% of the time.

Long range 300+ is a totally different story, you want heavier bullets (~105gr) going quick, which means faster twist barrel. It's worth the accuracy robbing gun torque with the 1-8 twist since you win in the less wind drift area.

The 6PPC is best with 68gr bullets and a 1-14 twist.

As you know the PPC case (220 russian, 7.62x39) has a slightly smaller head than the 30/06, 308, 243, etc etc family. I and many many others have made 6ppc's with just an unmodified bolt from a .308 family Remington action.

I heard ONCE that a guy had problems with it clicking over the rim and not wanting to extract, I've never had a problem and I've loaded hot at times looking for better accuracy with no problems. Useing the 308 rem bolt is not a safety issue.

I'm just got the barrel for another ppc project I'm doing with yet another Rem action.

Give us more info on what you want to achieve and we'll give you better answers.

For myself I'd like to hold in my hand a .308 Savage bolt and a ppc case. Likely a better gyppo target action over the rem.

Mike
 
pac11, actually, they are equally accurate but the PPC dominates the SR game due in large part to recoil and recoil control. Then there is the heat, torque issues that limit the speed of shot recovery for those that prefer a machine gun style of shooting.

Both can shoot in the 0's and 1's. The BR is simply not the perfect case for the SR game but is does shoot. 10% larger then ideal.

2007 has been a very strong year for the 6BR and its derivative is all manner of LR BR shooting. A lot of records have fallen to this cartridge and some very talented shooters.

A friend of mine is working up his 6BR for F class shooting and is putting them into the 0's and 1's at 100yds. This with boattailed bullets.

That'll work.

Jerry
 
What I want is pretty simple... a sporter style rifle (6mm or 6.5mm or 7mm), fed with a detach mag that will consistently shoot tiny groups @200M. I am not a competion shooter but like rifles that shoot one hole groups. I would like the rifle to weigh about 7 1/2lbs.
 
Well, I have a Savage center feed detachable mag in 308 that I am about to sell. Will shoot 1/2 MOA at 200yds (1" or smaller 3 rds) with hunting bullets. I bet it would do even better with match bullets.

Bedded, trigger tuned, ready to shoot tiny groups if you can. With reg. hunting scope, the entire rifle is around 7.5lbs.

PM me if interested.

Jerry
 
Thanks for the info on your Savage but I have a .308 LTR (7 1/2lbs) that shoots consistently under 1/2MOA....I am looking for something with less recoil ...
 
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