Action "reliability"

Suprisingly, some obviously don't know that NR long guns can be stored in strict compliance to, and in accordance with, all regulations and still be adequately available for other uses such as self defense. This has been discussed to death d:h:,so I won't add to it.

As far as the reliability of military weapons goes, I've fired many beretta 92s and several M16s that were, whatever your definition, UN-reliable. Whether they could all have somehow, some way, been made so, I don't know.

I never had a single malfunction shooting thousands of rounds out of our revolvers, nor do I know of a single malfunction in any revolver being used by anyone else at the range. But we could hear the frequent swearing and complaining of those standing next to us who were firing semis. In my youth I had a friend who owned a 22 semi and he had nothing but trouble with it.

I must admit, however, that pistol and rifle semis are very very ###y and attractive.:) (So are some women I've known, none of whom I would have married, even if they were the last women on earth.)

Today I should receive in the mail a brand new NR CSA VZ58 7.62 that I ordered last week. The thing is reputed to be ultra-reliable. Maybe it is. I'll find out for myself very soon.

But I would still rather use a "hot" 22 for hd. I have observed for myself the effect of these rounds on clay, "synthetic flesh", water jugs, etc. and I am convinced that, for this and other reasons that I will not repeat yet again, in the close quarters of a typical house these rounds will do the job more than adequately.

Outside of the house, at a distance (I can not imagine that ever happening, except maybe in a next "financial crisis" that really effects everyone and desperate, starving people do desparate things), I'd grab the vz. In such a situation I very much doubt if the "authorities" will be concerned about how people are, or are not, storing their firearms. They'll be too busy protecting their politician-masters from the "threat" posed by sheep-turned-into-wolves.

You take the high road and I'll take the low road. This thread was not supposed to be about which round was best for hd, although that is apparently a very addictive subject (even in the land where some gun nutz say that such use would be wrong, wrong, wrong and should, apparently, not even discussed). I intended this thread to be, and IMO should still be, about the reliability/appropriatness of the various 22 actions for an "hd-type" situation.

Speaking of which, anybody own one of those Rossi revolver carbines in 22 and 22 mag? If so, what do you think?
 
i would have to say bolt or lever. with both your next motion after pulling the trigger in cycle the action and put in a live round. with a semi-auto you manualy cycling the bolt is not usialy the next step. cost time when thinking " am i out or a dud?"
Good point, but can you really stay on targer while "levering"? Looks to me like you can with a pump. Which is more reliable, lever or pump?
 
I genuinely do hate to mention this :redface: , but one "concern" with an "HD .22 LR" is that :yingyang: - in all likelihood :wave: - there are probably going to be multiple shots fired in an "HD scenario".....

As such, 3 "issues" quickly emerge:

(1) How fast can rounds be discharged/the target be re-acquired ?

(2) How much ammunition can be held by the firearm in question/how fast can it be reloaded ?

and

(3) How "bad" are the optics regarding a higher number of rounds discharged by someone defending himself/herself ?

Sad things to consider :( , but unfortunately relevant....

I only shoot my lever from the hip, standing. The ground is fer' yeller' bellied lizards.

Old Confucius say man who no lie down prone in a gunfight real soon get lit up !.....:eek:
 
I intended this thread to be, and IMO should still be, about the reliability/appropriatness of the various 22 actions for an "hd-type" situation.

If you would look at it realistically, you would see that 'what .22action is best' has no relevance to HD.

What golf club do you take to the batting cage?
 
Good point, but can you really stay on targer while "levering"? Looks to me like you can with a pump. Which is more reliable, lever or pump?

i would say lever action. with a pump you are moving the most outward grip of the firearm when cycling causing the most movement. with a lever you are moving inbetween two support points scholder and forgrip. mind you with a lever your finger leaves the trigger during cyclng.

i dunno i would crack them with a bat first. that way you can make it look like they fell and hit their head. robber get messed up and i get to keep my guns. win win IMO
 
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