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This thread is going great Wolverine. Cant wait for your next 'musings.'
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slarsen47
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I have stated facts. You may not like the truth, that is your choice. Another fact is that Liberals were elected to a majority government by Quebec, Atlantic Canada, Greater Toronto area and Vancouver. And re-elected to form a minority government by Quebec, Atlantic Canada, Greater Toronto area and Vancouver. I am an immigrant, retired professional engineer and continue to enjoy the good life from a safe vantage point.
In case you did not notice, I am from Alberta. Alberta did not elect any liberal MP's.
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Pretty pathetic some posters in here blame RCMP officers for what happened. Obviously, those idiots doing that have never had to stand up to evil in their lives ever...but they post like they are some kind of warriors. Disgusting. I do fight on the front line...all the respect to the officers at the front.
No..I don't agree with the RCMP overall positions on guns in Canada. But their officers do their best. And those idiots on here yapping about how stuff should be done are a joke.
No..I don't agree with the RCMP overall positions on guns in Canada. But their officers do their best. And those idiots on here yapping about how stuff should be done are a joke.
emerson
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You are painting pretty broadly bud. I have the experience to comment, and while I will give credit where it is due, blind devotion is not helpful to anyone.
slarsen47
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I have not seen any posters here blaming the RCMP for what happened that Saturday night. But I have seen posters being highly critical of the failure of RCMP leadership to issue an early morning emergency alert after 8 hrs of not being able to capture the culprit. This failure led to the deaths of quite a few people. It is valid criticism.
With respect to front line. Why after 8 hours did Officer Heidi Stevenson not have better backup and support?
Sidearm Sambo
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Good read. Being prepared and creating response plans also means you would need to identify the hazards. Who would have believed or created a senario as such? I sure would not. However with what is happening in this world right now the control groups must consider outside the box events. Who could ever imagine 9/11? That was an extreme event. Drastic times call for drastic measures. I agree that the people planning these events are definitely doing their homework. With access to information due to technology these days, it makes it much easier to put a plan of mass destruction in place.
We have been seeing much turmoil and it has not gotten better. Much to consider and the Lie- berals are not reducing the hazard, they are increasing the risk for all Canadians. Protect yourself the best way you can. The RCMP are not to blame. The government has dropped the ball and makes us vulnerable. Time for change fellow Candians. I wonder what will happen next?
We have been seeing much turmoil and it has not gotten better. Much to consider and the Lie- berals are not reducing the hazard, they are increasing the risk for all Canadians. Protect yourself the best way you can. The RCMP are not to blame. The government has dropped the ball and makes us vulnerable. Time for change fellow Candians. I wonder what will happen next?
Trustme
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This train of thought is whats wrong with the North American policing model. The phrase the 'public are the police and the police are the public' doesn't apply any more. The thought with the modern LEO is that they are far better then the citizenry that they police; every one is beneath them. Which is why the public as we can see today have very little faith in policing, and WHY THIS FORUM AND CORRESPONDING CULTURE EXIST. because lets face it, if the public actually believed in the police there wouldn't be 2.2 million gun owners. Thats objective.
Im SAYING that theres guys relegated to a career as transit police because they got into a fist fight with some guy [1] once when they where 25. Forget me, lets say, I'm a piece of sh*it. But theres guys who would excel at the job given the opportunity. its not subjective, its an observation over many years. And getting into fistfights is something that guys tend to do, or else hockey wouldn't be the # 1 sport in Canada. Im not talking about colossal pieces of Sh*it working in law enforcement, Im talking about low end summery convictions that wouldn't even be any where near a custodial sentence. Not talking about moral turpitude, I'm talking mistakes in judgment, or actions that where taken dam the consequence.
10% of Canadians have criminal records. To assume that somewhere in 3+ million people, there isn't a person that can contribute immensely to the cause is an error in logic.
Thank you for your response.
somethingspecial
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I agree - this was a tactical error on her part. She didn't weigh the risks of failure of the maneuver. She lost her life, cost a citizen his life and donated a firearm and ammunition to the bad guy as a result of the miscalculation.
Consensual fights are not against the law in Canada. Assault is primarily the nonconsensual application (or threat of) physical force. Two guys can throw down all day long - until it escalates to causing bodily harm. You can't bash a semiconscious guy's head with a brick. You can't maim a guy. Fisticuffs? All day long.
somethingspecial
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Actually if you goto post #77 but you probably won't. Is a screen shot of my phone. Of a text warning of 2 shootings happening in the Halifax area. Which ended up being nothing. But they listened to the criticism of the shooting on Sunday and started to use it. Can't fake a screen shot.
Nothing about perp disguise as police, like I said...
Trustme
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Bull sh*it, I have first hand experience how that statements outcome is dependent on how much you want to fight an assault charge in court. Its not for the police to decide what's consensual, and if it meets the likely hood of conviction in their mind at that time, then a guy or both are going to get charged. Both parties would have to agree separately that they wanted to fight. And in most circumstance, the stories are going to be polar opposite. So how does a officer, with 30+ calls on the board have the time to determine, aggressor or Consenting party? Its going before the court, and if you're an average employed person, you won't qualify for legal aid. Lawyers are out of reach at $350 an hour. 9/10 plead guilty.
Criminal Record is contingent on A) How good your lawyer is. B) How much money you have. C) Where you come from. Thats why I disagree that its the only most objective, and clear method of determining ones validity for law enforcement.
Im in the biased opinion, that very minor CC convictions should be automatically expunged after 15 years if the individual has not been convicted of any other offences in that time frame.
Criminal Records Act should be modernized not to fucc people out of jobs they would excel at in a normal country.
Police should have not been diccs years ago, and kept the laying of charges to a reasonable level, you wouldn't have the JORDAN APPLICATION which allows murderers to walk free.
Which brings me back to my original points that overhauling the recruitment model for police in this country is necessary.
Post secondary graduated-liberally educated people know how to play politics very well or as you put it "Get along". The last thing any one wants is the police playing politics, which is something they do so very well.
And now with the "Call out Culture" in post secondary institutions a corner stone, do you really think that university educated folk make better cops? AS IF.
Fucc'n Edmonton losses a significant percentage of recruits because of lack of body language awareness, Because they've been raised on a device and social media. Which allows for kids to game academia, and become "successful candidates", get through training (because thats a game), hit the streets and then eat their gun in 6 months after real life throws them a curve ball. But hey, they volunteered and got straight A's in Uni. As if.
Almost every department has a problem with recruiting enough to offset attrition, so rather than adjust requirements like some in the US, immigration becomes the solution (Only in Canada eh).
Everything I said here is sourced from the news and police departments. its not conjecture, its qualified information.
Bill Blair is the personification of the Canadian policing model.
So the cop who has 30 calls in the queue is going to go through and complete not one but two arrest packages when he can chalk it up to a consensual fight?
Bottom line is the world is not as simple as you think it is.
Bottom line is the world is not as simple as you think it is.
OkayShooter
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Did you even read the post you replied to? They learned from their mistakes and started to use the system. Letting people know, about an event unfolding that happened AFTER the Sunday shooting. This has nothing to do with the Sunday shooting. So why would they say perp disguised as a police officer, when again, has NOTHING to do with the Sunday mass shooting?
This is from a police friend.
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Sylvertiger
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For me the lesson is simple. Law-abiding citizens should have a means to defend themselves and their loved ones.
(I find it ironic that we can’t take action against the government for compromising the safety of its citizens, but they can act to further restrict our means to self-defence. I have a feeling such events are going to become more common in Canada due to cultural spillover mixing with an economic recession and general lack of mental health supports. My $0.02)
(I find it ironic that we can’t take action against the government for compromising the safety of its citizens, but they can act to further restrict our means to self-defence. I have a feeling such events are going to become more common in Canada due to cultural spillover mixing with an economic recession and general lack of mental health supports. My $0.02)
Great post OP, thanks. I appreciate you making an assessment and comparison of the facts.
I think this is an incredibly difficult situation to second guess given how fluid and fast moving the situation was at the time. I notice that people react to this as if the locale was a group of city blocks, rather than a widespread rural area. This jerk was stopped by the sacrifice of one RCMP officer and the alert thinking of another.
I think this is an incredibly difficult situation to second guess given how fluid and fast moving the situation was at the time. I notice that people react to this as if the locale was a group of city blocks, rather than a widespread rural area. This jerk was stopped by the sacrifice of one RCMP officer and the alert thinking of another.
slarsen47
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You bet! Saturday night it was crazy. Shooting and fires. Multiple locations. Absolute chaos. Not much to second guess.
BUT
6-8 hours later there should have been enough time to be getting a handle on things and post an alert BEFORE people start going out.
The jerk was terminated when he made the mistake of stopping for gas at a station occupied by several RCMP. Had he kept driving who knows.
After 8 hours for leadership to prepare she should not have been put in a position of sacrifice without backup.
Trustme
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I don't think the world simple. I think its overly complex. My experiences and observations are what I base my positions on.
Just like you I have eyes, and see things, and just like you I have experienced.
