Adjustments on Shadow allowed in Production Division?

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evan the cdn

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I shoot a CZ SP01 Shadow in IPSC production division. I've heard different opinions from different people on this so hopefully somebody that knows the rules for sure can help me out.

Is it legal to swap the stock main spring with a different one available from CZ?

Is it legal to swap the stock recoil spring with a different one available from CZ?

Is it legal to modify the stock mag brake so that the mags drop free?

Is it legal to swap the stock mag brake with a different one available from CZ so that the mags drop free?
 
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As long as the parts are OFM (CZ). Have fun.

To add to this. I purchased a CZ75 SP-01 instead of the Shadow because the Shadow was not production approved at the time. A year later, the Shadow was approved for production division. I purchased all the parts from CZ and turned my SP-01 into a quasi Shadow. The only difference between a 'real' Shadow and my SP-01 is I didn't bother installing the extended mag release and SHADOW is not stamped on the slide.
 
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It's pretty much a free for all in Production.
Ghost Holster sells 'souped up' aftermarket parts that have been deemed OFM.
The rules also stipulate 'minor detailing of fitment of stock parts' or some other nonsense, and guys go to town. People will be along shortly to counter the above, but the reality is what it is. Polish and fit to your hearts content!
 
On the shadow if the mags do not drop free already then it's not the mag brake since the proper part for the Shadow is not supposed to have the curve in it that provides the brake function. If your mags are not dropping free then you either are not pushing the release button far enough or there's some issue at work that you need to fix or send back in to get fixed.
 
Thanks for the responses guys.


BCRider said:
On the shadow if the mags do not drop free already then it's not the mag brake since the proper part for the Shadow is not supposed to have the curve in it that provides the brake function. If your mags are not dropping free then you either are not pushing the release button far enough or there's some issue at work that you need to fix or send back in to get fixed.
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I already have the one sold by CZ and with it installed they drop free 100% of the time. I wanted to know if I needed to put the stock one in to be legal in competition. I'm not the only one who's mag brake was functioning as a mag brake on their Shadow.
 
beltfed said:
It's pretty much a free for all in Production.
Ghost Holster sells 'souped up' aftermarket parts that have been deemed OFM.
The rules also stipulate 'minor detailing of fitment of stock parts' or some other nonsense, and guys go to town. People will be along shortly to counter the above, but the reality is what it is. Polish and fit to your hearts content!
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I think Vince Pinto just has a heart attack.;)

Take Care

Bob
 
evan the cdn said:
I already have the one sold by CZ and with it installed they drop free 100% of the time. I wanted to know if I needed to put the stock one in to be legal in competition. I'm not the only one who's mag brake was functioning as a mag brake on their Shadow.
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That's the nice thing about the Shadow, it's legal for IPSC Production class set up as it comes out of the box. So no, you do not need to replace the drop free plate with a curved brake plate.

If the mags are hanging up then there's something rubbing that should not rub or the shooter isn't holding the gun with the frame properly vertical. A lot of folks seem to cant the frame to the side in prep for loading. If you do this before the magazine has dropped free I can see where it may hang up. But it wouldn't be due to the mag brake (more accurately a mag well barrier in the case of the Shadow) in this case.
 
BCRider said:
That's the nice thing about the Shadow, it's legal for IPSC Production class set up as it comes out of the box. So no, you do not need to replace the drop free plate with a curved brake plate.

If the mags are hanging up then there's something rubbing that should not rub or the shooter isn't holding the gun with the frame properly vertical. A lot of folks seem to cant the frame to the side in prep for loading. If you do this before the magazine has dropped free I can see where it may hang up. But it wouldn't be due to the mag brake (more accurately a mag well barrier in the case of the Shadow) in this case.
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I appreciate your opinion but my experience with my Shadow was different than yours. Mine was catching the mags before they dropped clear of the gun. I replaced the stock mag brake with the solid one available from CZ and the mags now drop free 100% of the time. I didn't adjust how I handle the gun or any other parts.

This is the part I used:
http://czcustom.com/testproduct-192.aspx
 
beltfed said:
It's pretty much a free for all in Production.
Ghost Holster sells 'souped up' aftermarket parts that have been deemed OFM.
The rules also stipulate 'minor detailing of fitment of stock parts' or some other nonsense, and guys go to town. People will be along shortly to counter the above, but the reality is what it is. Polish and fit to your hearts content!
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Yeah...well you might want to spend a little time reading on Global Village. I think the powers that be may have a slightly different opinion.


John
 
Appendix d4 - production - rule 19 -
19. Original parts and components offered by the ofm as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific model
handgun on the ipsc approved handgun list are permitted, subject to the following:
19.1 modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably
required in order to fit replacement ofm parts or components, and/or identifying marks which add or
remove negligible weight to/from magazines), are prohibited. Other prohibited modifications include
those which facilitate faster reloading (e.g. Flared, enlarged and/or add-on magwells, etc.), changing the
original color and/or finish of a handgun, and/or adding stripes or other embellishments
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I have read the rules. I guess what it boils down to is whether or not this part is considered to be "offered by the ofm as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific model handgun on the ipsc approved handgun list". In my opinion it is, but I'm looking for someone who knows for a fact rather than just an opinion.
 
Evan the part is a CZ part and it is designed to fit the SP-01 so you are good to go. You can check it out on the Global Village though as there is a list of questions regarding Production Division and you will see you can replace CZ parts with CZ parts.

Take Care

Bob
 
I just asked Vince Pinto on the Global Village about another part (stainless steel guide rod sold by CZ USA) and he said that if it's not available from CZ UB then it's not allowed in PD. If that's true the solid mag brake and the stainless guide rod would both not be allowed in PD.

He also referenced this picture and said that if it's not on here it's not legal for PD.
cz75sp01shadowpage1.jpg
 
evan the cdn said:
I appreciate your opinion but my experience with my Shadow was different than yours. Mine was catching the mags before they dropped clear of the gun. I replaced the stock mag brake with the solid one available from CZ and the mags now drop free 100% of the time. I didn't adjust how I handle the gun or any other parts.

This is the part I used:
http://czcustom.com/testproduct-192.aspx
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evan the cdn said:
I have read the rules. I guess what it boils down to is whether or not this part is considered to be "offered by the ofm as standard equipment, or as an option, for a specific model handgun on the ipsc approved handgun list". In my opinion it is, but I'm looking for someone who knows for a fact rather than just an opinion.
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Sorry Evan, I'm a little confused on this now. My own Shadow came stock with the exact plate you show in the link. It's dead flat other than the roll over for the pin just as shown in the links. Perhaps there was a change in spec at some point in the production?

At any rate now you can see why I posted what I did. I assumed that your Shadow came with this same plate. The good news is that since the current (my gun is a year old) models come with this plate as stock you should be fine for Production. At least that's how I read the rules.
 
evan the cdn said:
I just asked Vince Pinto on the Global Village about another part (stainless steel guide rod sold by CZ USA) and he said that if it's not available from CZ UB then it's not allowed in PD. If that's true the solid mag brake and the stainless guide rod would both not be allowed in PD.

He also referenced this picture and said that if it's not on here it's not legal for PD.
cz75sp01shadowpage1.jpg
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How would you know the part you are talking about is in the gun.

The part I ordered came in a CZUB package and is legal. Incidently CZ USA is owned by CZUB as a wholly owned subsidiary.

Take Care

Bob
 
BCRider said:
Sorry Evan, I'm a little confused on this now. My own Shadow came stock with the exact plate you show in the link. It's dead flat other than the roll over for the pin just as shown in the links. Perhaps there was a change in spec at some point in the production?

At any rate now you can see why I posted what I did. I assumed that your Shadow came with this same plate. The good news is that since the current (my gun is a year old) models come with this plate as stock you should be fine for Production. At least that's how I read the rules.
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That's perfect. It must be stock on the new Shadows so I'll stick with the flat one. I did buy mine used so there is the possibility that the previous owner swapped it for one out of a 75B.
 
John in B.C. said:
Yeah...well you might want to spend a little time reading on Global Village. I think the powers that be may have a slightly different opinion.


John
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Reading Global Village isn't going to change what happens in life.
People change parts. Maybe they believe they are buying OFM, 'production compliant' parts, maybe they don't.

It is extremely unlikely a competitor will ever be called on anything other than: trigger weight, Power factor, or something glaringly obvious, such as slide color or slide tape, etc.

No one is going to call you on a mag break or some other obscure internal part if it isn't obviously not OFM - I've never (in my short 3 years in the sport) even had the internals of my pistols looked at. Really, the sport and people involved in it have MUCH bigger fish to fry. (like keeping and attracting shooters that want to participate and volunteer for the sport), than to be concerned with spring 'B' that does absolutely doodly squat for added performance of the pistol. (IMHO, ymmv.)
 
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