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Hokus Grey
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Hilarious, not to mention an interesting site. Thanks for the link!
Ensuring the slide is back into battery is no different than ensuring the mag is properly seated.
Both methods done improperly CAN cause user induced stoppages. And because we're human, there is a chance that it will be done improperly. Why do you fail to see this, or refuse to acknowledge it?
Don't bother asking, it's a rhetorical question.
Hokus, dvm is a great site for info and humor. Another one I like for industry info is soldiersystems.net
CGN is a DISCUSSION forum last I checked??
The magazine CANNOT induce a malfunction. An in battery slide is unaffected by an inserted magazine. If your magazine is causing problems you need to replace it. If you're worried about the magazine causing problems why are you wasting your time with a press check in the first place?
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You just contradicted yourself, are you for real, really are you?
You take a few weekend Rambo courses, probably sit at home and read and read and read because no one wants to play with you and then you come on here and preach tactics and tactical solutions you have no real world experience with. Man if you knew half the qualifications of some of the people in this thread you are challenging, you would not yap anymore.....Wait yes you would, you have to have the last word, so have at it.
Like I said Red Dawn.
I haven't seen this much group frustration with one mans work since.....
Steve David
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I haven't seen this much group frustration with one mans work since.....
Oh great, now the Beretta peanut gallery just got involved.........!
Man is that ever the truth
I haven't seen this much group frustration with one mans work since.....
And that is the funniest post I have seen this year
It's been a long time since I was in school...but if I recall correctly the earliest Greek philosophers believed that the universe could be fully understood purely through logical deduction.
But this was a brief phase; even in Aristotle's time it was becoming apparent that logical deduction did not always provide accurate representations of reality. The reason for this is that any logical equation has a limited number of criteria and selecting the correct ones is always murky...logic is not a perfect representation of reality because reality is not perfect.
There is a reason that scientific empiricism has completely supplanted logical inference in any field in which empirical study is possible.
The reason is this: you might THINK you know how it goes...but if you've been there, you KNOW how it goes.
There is a huge gulf between BTDT (been there done that) and BHTADT (been here, thought about doing that).
There are 14 year olds that will argue the theory of any gun or guitar or car or anything you can think of all day...however the people who can tell you the answer are not the people who thought about the theory more than the 14 year olds. It's the people who have run those guns and played those guitars and raced those cars for a living and have seen WHAT REALLY HAPPENS in the field.
Theory is great...but experience kicks the tar out of theory, every time.
Steve David
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Haven't you heard, you don't need experience to know what you're talking about.
All you need is a user account on a gun forum and the anonymity of the internet. Except sometimes it's not all that anonymous......
lol
have you been surfing the xbox/ps3 gaming sights again...
lol...no, but I have been on sites like cgn for about ten years now.
TDC just to be clear, I'm saying your idea definitely isn't the end all be all when it comes to knowing your gun is loaded or not. I don't often say there is only one valid "way" but when it comes to knowimg your gun is loaded, there really is only one way. Its like pregnancy, there is only one way that is 100% effective, don't ####. Same with looking at your gun. Sure you could induce a stoppage if you don't put the slide back properly but same thing if your mag doesn't go back in right. mags not feeding right does induce stoppages including messing with mag safeties on some guns (Smiths, Berettas for instance).
As for knowing your mag isn't working, well the only way to know that, is when it stops working. You can inspect them all you want, but springs break, followers break, mag lips come off and mag spines break at the most inopportune moments. Sometimes while shooting, and sometimes during insertion. I've seen of those things happen, had them happen to me too. Hell baseplates come off during firing and loading, rounds shooting up through the slide when feed lips let go, you name it. I've seen guys put a stripper mag in, rack the slide take out the empty mag put in a fresh one and still get a "click" no bang when they draw. The live round being on the ground after not actually being fed or jumping up out of the slide during feeding due to loose lips or broken ones. I've seen pieces of dirt/brass/whatever hung up in the inspection holes on a pistol so it looked loaded and I've seen the same crap hold extractors out after a gun was cleared making it appear loaded.
The absolutely only way you are going to know if your gun is loaded is if you actually see the round in the chamber. It really is that simple.
As for knowing your mag isn't working, well the only way to know that, is when it stops working. You can inspect them all you want, but springs break, followers break, mag lips come off and mag spines break at the most inopportune moments. Sometimes while shooting, and sometimes during insertion. I've seen of those things happen, had them happen to me too. Hell baseplates come off during firing and loading, rounds shooting up through the slide when feed lips let go, you name it. I've seen guys put a stripper mag in, rack the slide take out the empty mag put in a fresh one and still get a "click" no bang when they draw. The live round being on the ground after not actually being fed or jumping up out of the slide during feeding due to loose lips or broken ones. I've seen pieces of dirt/brass/whatever hung up in the inspection holes on a pistol so it looked loaded and I've seen the same crap hold extractors out after a gun was cleared making it appear loaded.
The absolutely only way you are going to know if your gun is loaded is if you actually see the round in the chamber. It really is that simple.
Do you teach this stuff during your fundamental course, or does one have to wait for advances classes? You know, the ones professionals would attend.
Sure as hell the firearms courses don't teach any pinch check after chambering a round.
I may need remedial classes. Your last post causes me to re-evaluate my knowledge and now feel inadequate and somewhat shaky about handling a gun.
Either so many things go wrong so often with guns around you because of questionable teaching, or you've been hanging around the most unlucky shooters of all time, or you're 185 years old to have witnessed so many malfunctions in one sentence.
Here's another gem from the range ... which elite RO instructional does one enroll in to learn how to check a cleared gun by sticking a finger in the competitors magwell? ... and where does one stick their finger to clear a revolver?
Sure as hell the firearms courses don't teach any pinch check after chambering a round.
I may need remedial classes. Your last post causes me to re-evaluate my knowledge and now feel inadequate and somewhat shaky about handling a gun.
Either so many things go wrong so often with guns around you because of questionable teaching, or you've been hanging around the most unlucky shooters of all time, or you're 185 years old to have witnessed so many malfunctions in one sentence.
Here's another gem from the range ... which elite RO instructional does one enroll in to learn how to check a cleared gun by sticking a finger in the competitors magwell? ... and where does one stick their finger to clear a revolver?
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