Admin Load, so you do it?
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Good question...
Press checks are fine if you feel the need (I don't) and you do it safely. I've seen too many shooters risk loosing a finger by using the Steven Segal method.
Segal is a moron, if you've ever seen his show and watched him qualify he's far from a great shot and he has no grasp of the fundamentals.
TDC
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Not when I have a coffee cup over the keyboard please.
Come on TDC you have never met Segal, sure he acts in movies but they are just movies man, as in make believe. The guy is an avid handgunner and I have it on very good authority he regularly brings his own guns up here and gets in range time when he is working on movies in Vancouver. I suggest you have no idea how well versed he is in the art of the handgun nor on is mental competance. I am willing to bet though, his bank account is larger then yours and mine so he has to be doing something right. It is called maximizing your talents. He did, and good on him for doing so.
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Bob
Is that a later version of the BO method. I know the method was improved over time. I hear a later versions such as the NE, RE and SD method has already been replaced by the WP method. Is that true or just internet rumour?
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Bob
So now Coopers rules are some universal law? Sorry they aren't. They are certainly well thought out but they aren't accepted as law anywhere I know of. You can huff and puff them all you like, but that's the simple truth of the matter.
Funny how over 10 years of top level competition and professional teaching and I've never accidentally done a press check. Hmm. Some years I fired over 150,000 rounds through various guns, still no press checks except when I wanted to do them.
Weird
Funny how over 10 years of top level competition and professional teaching and I've never accidentally done a press check. Hmm. Some years I fired over 150,000 rounds through various guns, still no press checks except when I wanted to do them.
Weird
Right...except obviously that is not happening for MOST loads, just admin loads.
For example, I'm one of the 71% who voted for press checking. That means I do it pretty rarely, though, because the vast, vast majority of mag changes I do are not admin loads, they're emerg reloads on an empty chamber. When I am loading up on the line and preparing to start running drills, I press check.
Not only have I never accidentally press-checked mid-shoot, but I have never even heard of anyone accidentally press checking.
And if all it takes is one single time of doing something to make it possible that you'll revert to that under stress, then A) we're all ####ed because we've all done SOMETHING out of order or otherwise wrong with a gun anyway, and B) if doing it once was enough to make it possible, you'd have to figure doing it another way thousands and thousands of times would be enough to make that way, way, way more likely.
I agree that if your policy is to press check after ALL reloads, and all you do is slow fire from a bench or something, you probably will have trouble if you are forced to speed it up.
If you are like anyone who actually shoots their guns, it will never be an issue.
If it were an issue, you know what we'd see? People getting killed because after they fired a mag in self defense, they then undid their belts, took off their guns, put their guns in their range bags, and tried to drive home. Because EVERYBODY has done that after shooting before, lots of times.
Again, this never happens. This is the difference between theory and experience. In theory, sure, you might do something wrong and the more times you practise it wrong, the more likely you are to get it wrong under pressure.
This does not, however, translate in to people doing over-the-top retarded #### because it's sort of similar to something they do in practise. There is no point pushing this theory #### to the absolute extreme because it just doesn't work that way...as anyone who shoots ought to know, and all of the heavy hitters out there ACTUALLY DO KNOW BECAUSE THEY'VE SEEN IT FIRST HAND. Now if only we had access to some guys like that in this thread...Oh wait.
This thread has gone WAY beyond the point of stupid. We have people actively justifying armchair tactical theory and arguing with guys like wicked_police on the subject. It is hard to describe just how bizarre that is.
I am thinking some of you should take a break from the Pistols and Revolvers section and go tell Starlight that after some logical deduction, you've decided that he needs some instruction on taking care of wounded soldiers in the field and you're going to give him the run down on what he ought to do.
You are going to hate yourself if TDC took a first aid course....or watched him mummy put a band-aid on his owey.
Take Care
Bob
Is that a later version of the BO method. I know the method was improved over time. I hear a later versions such as the NE, RE and SD method has already been replaced by the WP method. Is that true or just internet rumour?
Take Care
Bob
well,...I actually use the way I take the gun down to press check...using my shooting hand only. I almost align the dots/marks ,...this allows the slide to open just enough to see the round in the chamber. I point my hand up,...and turn my hand so my fingers can grip the slide just behind the breach. I then press backwards.
IT works best with the gun still in SA,...but also doable in DA.You are going to hate yourself if TDC took a first aid course....or watched him mummy put a band-aid on his owey.
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Bob
I don't know if I'm going to hate myself...but I expect any future packages I order from CTOMS will come with hate mail now.
Crapity Crap. This thread would have been so much fun to get in on near the beginning. I have so much to say. But now it would be redundant.
I would like to say that Steven Segal is one smoking hot crack shot. Someone here is smoking hot crack . You know who you are. He really is.
More on topic( now dead topic ), I train people how to do chamber checks in two different methods. Some people are not strong enough to grab the front of the slide and pull back particularly with no front serrations. Some can't even use the rear of the slide method without flinging rounds across the floor. There is no deduction of points for not doing it in the annual re- qual. or during the I.A. portion so it is not considdered nessecary. It is a nice thing to do if you practice it enough, but all the others before have described when it is a good idea or not. You decide.
I can also drive a standard or automatic without any confusion of muscle memory. But that's just me.
I would like to say that Steven Segal is one smoking hot crack shot. Someone here is smoking hot crack . You know who you are. He really is.
More on topic( now dead topic ), I train people how to do chamber checks in two different methods. Some people are not strong enough to grab the front of the slide and pull back particularly with no front serrations. Some can't even use the rear of the slide method without flinging rounds across the floor. There is no deduction of points for not doing it in the annual re- qual. or during the I.A. portion so it is not considdered nessecary. It is a nice thing to do if you practice it enough, but all the others before have described when it is a good idea or not. You decide.
I can also drive a standard or automatic without any confusion of muscle memory. But that's just me.
But you WILL under duress if that's what you practice.
Practicing a routine every time you draw your gun, or often times, press pinching as discussed to check a loaded chamber, WILL get you killed when you should be pulling the trigger, but press check instead.
I don't practice any unnecessary routines with my gun. I trust myself to operate my firearms correctly the first time. I don't second guess myself, ever. The action of press checking is second guessing oneself. Some routines may even be considered obsessive compulsive. After all, how often does one fire at another in defense compared to the amount of practice drills performed on the range.
You won't sweep yourself or others if a press check is done properly.
As far as press checks under duress, watch some reality based training sometime, and you will see that you are wrong.
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