Advice: 270 vs 270 wsm

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I am looking for any and all opinions or advice between 270 and 270 wsm.
I hunt with a 270 bolt. I want to switch to lever action. There is a 270 wsm available in lever by browning where i live.....I have no experience with 270 wsm....input is requested and appreciated....
 
The 270wsm simply adds some velocity over the 270win.There are enough of them selling that they should still be around for a very long time.For a longer range bolt rifle,I would consider the 270wsm.For a shorter range lever,I wouldn't buy either.

recoil differences?
Accuracy differences?
ammo efficiency?
price difference for ammo?
Any other i n put...
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Recoil-more with the 270wsm,about like a 30-06 with heavier bullets

Accuracy-it depends on the gun and load more than the cartridge.

Ammunition prices-considerably more for the 270wsm.
 
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I think there is absolutely no way the .270wsm is going away. Comparing to the .270 it's flatter shooting, more velocity, more recoil and ammo is more money. If you handload it's not an issue. It's a great round, and I feel that if it's about the rifle of choice for you then buy the rifle, you will not be disappointed. Remember there are always going to be those folks who feel that anything that wasn't around when they were wee lads is crap, it's just the way it is.
 
Thank you M&M(lol) I mean muley madness

This is the info I wanted. I assumed all of what you said but did not want to rest on my laurels alone.....
 
I'm not sure about a .270WSM lever, but I do have Model 70 Featherweight bolt rifles in both .270WCF & .270WSM. With both rifles utilizing 140gr Accubonds, and both wearing Decelerator pads, there is just a tad more felt recoil in the WSM. With about 200fps more velocity, the WSM edges the WCF in the trajectory department. The .270 Winchester Short Magnum is definately here to stay and I would almost bet that given the choice between the two offerings in the same rifle, the majority of new rifle purchasers will be selecting the WSM version over the WCF.
 
BC what is WCF?

Also does wsm come in a wider variance of bullet grain options?

I think ( i do not know) that the 270 comes in 2 main grains (130 and 150?) My savage bolt loves the lighter grain and despises the heavier grain. I desperately want to buy a lever and browning is the only one 270 accessible. I have never hunted with anything but 270 except one time a 243 with deer.....it is comfortable calibre for me....
 
I have used both and they are both great calibers.I used my Model 70 Winchester in 270 WSM last fall and took a nice Whitetail and a cow elk. One shot each. A hunting buddy had the same results with his 270 WSM.I think the 270 WSM may be around as long as the 270 Whinchester.
Thanks Reb
 
A 270 WSM will give 200 - 300 fps faster over the 270 WCF with any given bullet weight. Not a huge difference, but enough for a guy shopping for a new rifle to pay attention to. BTW, WCF is the plain old 270, otherwise known as the 270 Winchester Center Fire.
 
thank you scott...I thought it was but did not wanna assume when i am trying to learn about sumthin....thanks...sounds like wsm sounds like way to go with no apparant disadvantage except price of shells...but now is the question...how much more? lol

but its for hunting so its not like i will be shooting 1000 rounds in a day
 
It's only a few bucks more at our local gun store for WSM's over the standard fare. Better yet, get yourself some reloading gear and "roll yer own". Unless you are one of those "shot-nine-deer-an-still-on-the-same-box-of-shells" guys...lol
 
If you're all hung up on a .270, I suppose the WSM is fine. However, I don't see any usefull practical advantage over a standard .308. And yes, the ammo isn't that easy to find and yes it's far more money .308 @$18.45 and .270 WSM @ $35.94 for 20 Winchester power points at Le Baron. To me, it's just not worth the effort or cash for this odd ball caliber.

I think if Winchester really wanted to see these new cartridges to succeed, they would stop gouging people at the ammo counter.
 
No need to be hung up on the caliber. You can get a BLR in 7mm-08 and end up with a cheaper, lighter rifle that is somewhat close in performance to your 270, but in a shorter action and barrel.
 
There are only a few times I would consider buying a rifle in one of the WSM short cartridges, one of these times would be if I wanted a Browning lever action. I don't like the "long action" Browning levers and would choose one in a short action and take a look at the cartridges available. 308 and 7-08 are short actions and capable of doing all that is needed. But if I wanted full out velocity (I don't) it would have to be a WSM.
 
Ok....I am not hung up on 270, but thats the only gun I ever got comfy with in my life due to a lack of shooting. I started hunting 4 years ago and have been very succesful on hunts and is because i practice with my bow on stalks...But i am learning new challenges found in rifle hunting as well....and how FUN it is!

So not hung up on 270. Just dont know what else to get and dont want to destroy more meat by using larger calibre....if that is even a legitiment concern...(i dont know....so thats a question)?

All in all I thought 7mm and 308 would be much harder on meat of a deer. I want one calibre to hunt deer, ELK and moose, as well as future possibilities of coyote, sheep and bear.

Also I did not actually realize there was a difference in length of actions (short and long)....this opens a new question....

What does action length affect other than time of loading.....accuracy?
 
All in all I thought 7mm and 308 would be much harder on meat of a deer. I want one calibre to hunt deer, ELK and moose, as well as future possibilities of coyote, sheep and bear.
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Given the same bullet design,the 7mm-08 and 308win will likely do less damage because of the lower velocity.

What does action length affect other than time of loading.....accuracy?
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It doesn't have enough effect to matter in a hunting situation.
 
Is this true that 308 and 7mm do less damage than a 270, due to velocity?

I can fathom that because I shot 1 deer with 243 and the amount of "shot meat" was way more than 270. I was pissed off....lol

So saying this stubble.....why would a 308 be used in sniper rifles if it is a slower bullet than a 270? I thought speed improved accuracy in most situations....(it does with the bow)

SO i assume a short action lever action would make more sense for faster reloading?....is that fair?
 
Is this true that 308 and 7mm do less damage than a 270, due to velocity?
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I posted 7mm-08,and 308win which are cartridges,308 and 7mm are not cartridges,rather they specify a given bullet diameter.There are many 7mm cartridges,some which are relatively low velocity,7x57,7mm-08 etc,and some that are very high velocity,7mmstw,7mmRUM etc.

So saying this stubble.....why would a 308 be used in sniper rifles if it is a slower bullet than a 270?
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Military snipers use non expanding bullets,not the expanding bullets that we use to hunt big game.Increasing the speed increases the rate of expansion of an expanding bullet,causing more tissue damage.In the case of non expanding bullets,the speed has much less of an effect on the resulting tissue damage.

I thought speed improved accuracy in most situations.
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Not true at all.What speed does do is reduce wind drift and bullet drop.

SO i assume a short action lever action would make more sense for faster reloading?....is that fair?
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Not enough difference to matter.For hunting purposes,a shorter action results in a slightly shorter and slightly lighter gun.
 
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