Advice for a Beginner

[RPinVan]

Nobody mentions TC , they have some very interesting rifles and some with 1/2 MOA guarantee . They have a fairly decent selection, here is a link to their beast.

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/icon_warlord.php

As for optics, the sky is the limit.Sightron if you want accuracy with budget in mind.everything else, go hog wild if you wanna spend.

The $3400 or so that they are asking for that rifle is out of my price range for my first precision gun. For that price I would assume I could have something custom built for me. My plan is to stay under $2K for my package at first to have some fun and learn how to shoot and load.

Ryan

 

[Kelly Timoffee]

There is a Krieger 7mm in the EE , that would be a very good start to your rig.

You can build for a lot cheaper than some would have you believe.

 

[7x57]

buy a good gun to get started . something in maybe 6.5-284 . this will start you off accurate at short distances and won't let you down when you go to reach out. Talk to Bill's Guns in Burns Lake he's familiar with the above caliber.

 

[AKD]

buy a good gun to get started . something in maybe 6.5-284 . this will start you off accurate at short distances and won't let you down when you go to reach out. Talk to Bill's Guns in Burns Lake he's familiar with the above caliber.

I agree the 6.5x284 is a top round for sure. kind of more one ide save for long range tho.

Ive fired the round but have never owned the cal in a gun. Everyone says they wear the barrels out quick. might not be the best starting rig when trigger time is your best friend.

 

[CyaN1de]

Nobody mentions TC , they have some very interesting rifles and some with 1/2 MOA guarantee .

They do not guarantee, they certify (with a shot target) that it is capable of shooting 1/2 MOA.

A guarantee would give the consumer the option to return the rifle if it was incapable of shooting their specified group size as Tikka does.

Most any gun (even a Norinco M14) is capable of shooting at least 1 - 1/2MOA group in it's lifetime.

I wonder how many targets they go through before getting the 1/2MOA target to send with the gun? 3, 5, 10, 50, 100?

I am not knocking the TC, it may be one of those untapped resources in the precision shooting world, but the other offerings (specifically Rem and Sav) have far more gidgets and gadgets to add when needed such as stocks, triggers, barrels, mounts, etc....

 

[Ron AKA]

They do not guarantee, they certify (with a shot target) that it is capable of shooting 1/2 MOA. A guarantee would give the consumer the option to return the rifle if it was incapable of shooting their specified group size as Tikka does. Most any gun (even a Norinco M14) is capable of shooting at least 1 - 1/2MOA group in it's lifetime. I wonder how many targets they go through before getting the 1/2MOA target to send with the gun? 3, 5, 10, 50, 100? I am not knocking the TC, it may be one of those untapped resources in the precision shooting world, but the other offerings (specifically Rem and Sav) have far more gidgets and gadgets to add when needed such as stocks, triggers, barrels, mounts, etc....

I agree with your comments 100%. I have always been skeptical of those accuracy guarantees from the likes of Weatherby, Cooper, and .... It is not hard to cherry pick a small target. In evaluating a gun, I prefer to measure what I am getting for a barrel (button rifled not hammer forged), barrel weight (heavy good, light bad), stock bedding (pillars, bedding block, 3 action screws good, less bad), trigger weight (light and crisp), etc.. Those are things which I think make a gun shoot.

I know it is a bit of a leap of faith to buy a gun that does not have an accuracy guarantee, but if you evaluate the basic hardware you are buying, perhaps not so much. Savage puts a high emphasis on their gun accuracy but no number. I suspect if you got a lemon they would address it, but I guess you are at their discretion. In any case I took that leap of faith and got a Savage LRPV and am quite pleased with the outcome. Despite it not having the ideal profile stock for benchrest it can produce some nice groups. Here are three consecutive ones. Does every Savage Target Action gun do this or did I get lucky? Don't know, but most owners seem quite pleased based on testimonials. And the Savage factory team seem to do quite well in long range competition against custom guns.

 

[Obtunded]

CyaN1de is quite acquainted with Team Savage as we have both shot competed against and shot-with the members of Team Savage. I have really enjoyed being squadded with them; these guys are unreal marksmen, and fanatically attentive reloaders. Not to mention they fantastic guys. Monte Memilanuk does lurk on this forum too. Darrel Buell is also the captian of the US National FTR team. Team Savage shoots FTR, so they are using 308 or 223 only.

An LRPV or Model 12 in 6BR is a perfect way to get into precision shooting. The only issue is ammo. You need to be set up for reloading, and you need to have the right components. These guns are awesome, and they are always on my list of recommended rifles for those wanting to get into F-Class. The 6.5-284 model has been hit and miss, but the ones in 6BR seem to be generally excellent.

I also argue the 6BR is the most inherently accurate cartrige going... nice shooting!

 

[CyaN1de]

I know it is a bit of a leap of faith to buy a gun that does not have an accuracy guarantee, but if you evaluate the basic hardware you are buying, perhaps not so much. Savage puts a high emphasis on their gun accuracy but no number. I suspect if you got a lemon they would address it, but I guess you are at their discretion. In any case I took that leap of faith and got a Savage LRPV and am quite pleased with the outcome. Despite it not having the ideal profile stock for benchrest it can produce some nice groups. Here are three consecutive ones. Does every Savage Target Action gun do this or did I get lucky? Don't know, but most owners seem quite pleased based on testimonials. And the Savage factory team seem to do quite well in long range competition against custom guns.

One of our locals bought one of the first 6.5x47 Savage F-Class rifles when they came out. The thing shot terrible (as did many others) and it turned out that Savage had reamed the chambers/throats rough. Rifle was sent back to Savage and a new barrel was put on the gun (or gun was replaced....can't remember the exact outcome) and local gun nut was happy.

The Team Savage guy's are a hoot to hang out with. I spent a spent a few days at Douglas Ridge (their home range) this past Aug and had a great time with these boys (and their wives).

Since we didn't have enough people to form teams in each discipline, we did a mish mash of F-O, F-TR and some of the wives. Monty's wife kicked my ass with my own gun too......good thing she was on my team.....LOL

Come to think of it, I think she beat EVERYBODY on our team!!!!!!!