Advice on CZ. 858

ceilingcat said:
I am putting on the flame suit here :stirthepot2:, but when I started out with firearms naturally my first gun was an sks, after I got a 858 I actually found that I liked the sks more! maybe I'm not a great shot but on the bench I could get 3" groups (5 shorts) with my cz 858 and about 4" groups with the sks.

That being said I found the sks a much better built gun with chrome lined bore, piston (I think?), screwed barrel instead of pinned, and overall built like a tank, almost no stamped parts at all. Much more reliable with the laquer coated surplus than the cz. I know some of you will say lack of maintenance etc but I clean my guns very thoroughly and found that I could shoot as much in one session with the sks without jams, whereas the cz would jam at about 200 rounds, both being run very hard (rapid firing)

In my opinion the only thing the cz has on the sks is removable magazine! the accuracy difference wouldn't be noticeably different for these kinds of guns, and I think we can agree which will be better as a club ;)

though not an indication of quality, I'll bet it would cost more to build an sks than a cz858
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"Naturally" you picked up an SKS first? :(

Each shooter will prefer the ergonomics of a firearm differently and that will enhance his/her accuracy with said firearm, but having a chrome lined barrel would definitely decrease accuracy. Great for shooting milsurp ammo only, but not so great for quality new ammo unless you're just out to have fun, :D

Stamped parts on a CZ/VZ 58... Only stamped part I can think of is the dust cover, lol! Should be a stamped dust cover on the SKS, no? I gotta disagree with the reliability of a CZ 858 too... I am usually pretty religious about cleaning my guns. Any time I shoot corrosive or every 500 rounds of non-corrosive I do a tear down and shine it up with a DCOA. I have, however, run a bit of a longer term torture test on one of my CZ's that I shoot 3-gun with. 3 competitions, 5 months, lots of other range time and about 1200 rounds into it and I haven't seen a single feed error or FTF... In well over 5000 rounds through a single CZ 858 I have yet to have an FTF or any malfunction. That's in any type of fire including slow fire, double taps, 6 mags straight of rapid fire on a course. For me it's been perfect!

I personally don't think the SKS is even in the same ballpark as the CZ 858 or any variant of the original VZ 58.

Cheers!
 
I bought one of the canadian ones with the nice wood furniture. It is an awesome shooter, my kids love it too because it is lighter than the SKS but still accurate. I have a restricted VZ58 also but I like the 858 better.
I also have 3 SKS
 
twyeh said:
Negative, they are surplus (7.62x39). Take off your hand guard and look for the old armory proof marks.
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I didn't realize that thanks. My CSA is the non restricted length so no old marking but I have allways thought the restricted lengths were new barrels as well

You always learn something here
 
MrSchultz said:
so all the cz's that come with chrome lined barrels are "FSN" variants ? never heard of the FSN before. I'm in the market for buying a 11" or 7.5" 762x39 cz/vz. ?
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Verify if yours is chrome lined. I originally thought mine was chrome lined but then discovered it wasn't I sold it when Marstar introduced the FSN. Same design but chromlined.

Anyhow there are a ton of posts people saying CZ and VZ are surplus and not chromlined. Check on you particular rifle may be new arrivals are chromlined.
 
KaptinKaos said:
"Naturally" you picked up an SKS first? :(

Each shooter will prefer the ergonomics of a firearm differently and that will enhance his/her accuracy with said firearm, but having a chrome lined barrel would definitely decrease accuracy. Great for shooting milsurp ammo only, but not so great for quality new ammo unless you're just out to have fun, :D

Stamped parts on a CZ/VZ 58... Only stamped part I can think of is the dust cover, lol! Should be a stamped dust cover on the SKS, no? I gotta disagree with the reliability of a CZ 858 too... I am usually pretty religious about cleaning my guns. Any time I shoot corrosive or every 500 rounds of non-corrosive I do a tear down and shine it up with a DCOA. I have, however, run a bit of a longer term torture test on one of my CZ's that I shoot 3-gun with. 3 competitions, 5 months, lots of other range time and about 1200 rounds into it and I haven't seen a single feed error or FTF... In well over 5000 rounds through a single CZ 858 I have yet to have an FTF or any malfunction. That's in any type of fire including slow fire, double taps, 6 mags straight of rapid fire on a course. For me it's been perfect!

I personally don't think the SKS is even in the same ballpark as the CZ 858 or any variant of the original VZ 58.


Cheers!
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Naturally picked up sks because it was cheap, but after owning other fund the sks is still one of my favourites. Don't get me wrong, vz58 is an excellent gun, I'm just not a fan of the 858 with its unchromed barrel and chamber compared to the original. A chromed barrel for this kind of gun will have ngligible impact on accuracy.

Compared to the bubba vz58 we have that is the Cz858 I pick sks to be the better rifle, but each to their own.

Also vz has stamped upper handguard, trigger guard, and stamped aluminum magazine which wear easily against the steel receiver, leaving shiny aluminum spots at wear areas.. none of these parts matter much but the overall feel becomes less well made / quality than sks.
 
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