Advice on First Rifle

1remus

1remus

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I have been researching for close to half a year, many late nights and forum/youtube viewing sessions squeezed into the day. But I am still not ready to pull the trigger, I just need one last nudge.

can you guys/gals suggest to me a rifle with these parameters.


1 simple trigger setup
2 controlled round feed
3 detachable box mag
4 in 308 win and still interchangeable with 7.62x51
a what is a recommended barrel length
b and twist rate?
5 synthetic stock
6 tool compartments?
7 swivel studs

8 Affordable.

I don't mind doing work to any rifle that I come across, I even think the idea of putting your own handy-work into the things you own is most rewarding.



thanks guys for reading this, I'm very interested in what you have to say.
 
1) pretty much any "user adjustable" trigger is simple end easy
2)hmm that's a tough one as most off the shelf options will be push feed
3) if this is a requrment out if the box . Savage and tikka off this . But DBMS can ba added to most any rifle/stock
4) couldn't tell you off the top of my head as most just list 308as the cartridge to use as 7.62.ia just ball ammo and does t really fit with precision so I've never looked into it
5) take your pick on that one ! Almost every make and model can be had in synthetic
6) as far as I know no stocks have built in compartments . Add a stock pack
7) very rare to see something with out these ! And they are easy to add
8) what's affordable in your mind ??


Hope some or any of that helps
 
"...in 308 win and still interchangeable with 7.62x51..." All .308's are interchangeable with 7.62 x 51. They're the same thing, despite the nonsense you see on-line. Winchester released the .308 hunting cartridge at the same time as they were developing it for the U.S. military.
"4a&b" The .308/7.62 was designed to use a 22" barrel with a 1 in 10" twist.
What are you planning on doing with your new rifle? How much do you want to spend? You want to scope it or use iron sights?
"...work to any rifle..." Any commercial hunting rifle will require a trigger job due to frivolous U.S. law suits. Some of 'em come with adjustable triggers, but even they usually need some touching up.
 
thanks for the quick posts.
I have 500 saved up, so that's pretty much my price cap. unless i see some amazing deal that is a little more.
i heard that 7.62x51 in certain 308s can cause barrel damage (not considering corrosive rounds in this thought) I'm very interested to know what people think about this.
I'm planning on working on my marksmanship, and a little bit of hunting (stalking style, I live on Vancouver island and the bush is really dense.)
either a scope or irons would be acceptable, but in time I would probably install whatever I don't get with the gun. That said i would probably lean toward irons given a choice.

sunray-I am interested by the law suits you mentioned, do you mean that people who make mistakes often claim the poundage too light and set a suit against the manufacturer?
 
hmmm 500 is honestly a bit low... just to burst your bubble :( even things like the sps tactical start in at around 600 and that doesnt inlcude any sort of sights.. there is always somthing like a savage axis, but thats starting to get into budget hunting rifles and out of precision

on the topic of 7.62 in 308 chambers. as it was explained to me years ago, the nato rounds, have thicker case walls, and are slightly longer in the neck, and this runs the risk of contacting the throat and causing issues with pressure.. but in most factory chambers the tolerances are pretty "loose" to allow fireing of all factory ammunitions offerings, so its not a problem. once again this is what i was told years ago it its from memory, on top of i dont shoot surplus any thing. im sure some one will chime in with more informitive answer for you

im in victoria as well. once your set up im game for heading out for some precision shooting if you want. but i shoot all scoped rifles

the law suits - this pretty much stems from people dicking around with things they shouldnt and the triggers being so light that they dont belong any where except the bench. by making factory triggers not be able to "user" adjust below a certain weight #3 or so, it covers the manufacturer from claims like the rifle randomly goin off etc. but some one that knows what they are doing can bring the pull weight down and still maintain a safe rifle/ trigger
 
For CRF: look into the Winchester Model 70, or the related FN PBR or SPR. I believe the CZ 550s are all CRF as well.

As the others said, the rest is either easy or not worth looking for.

edit: but with your price range, you're really going to have to get lucky on finding a used rifle... Are you sure you're not overthinking your choices a bit?
 
Price range is your main issue here, $500 does not go far when you have a TALL order of specific features...

If price is the main sticking point here, then a used rifle may get you most of your desired features.

Cheers
Jay
 
500$ will likely hold you up. You are over thinking it. Buy any well regarded brand and get some trigger time in. Sell it later to buy what you feel you need after a little experience. Used guns are like money in the bank, just ask my wife lol. As a starter used rem 700 or savage, neither are CRF but both are upgrade able and can have good accuracy with no mods.

chrrrs
 
wow thanks very much for your posts, its nice to see lots of unbiased info.

I'll have to sit down with a gunsmith after I purchase, and see if it will work out.
as my first rifle I expected to get a used rifle, even an old milsurp would do until I outgrew the rifle

I've looked at the axis and the mosin, but im skeptical of their upgradeablety. what do you think of an old spanish mauser? is that worth tinkering with?
 
I always wanted/preferred a DBM but now that I'm trying my hand at long range shooting, I end up single feeding the rifle and don't miss not having/using a mag. I think it's overrated but it's all personal preference and something that can always be added after to most quality stocks.
 
Three superfulous options: CRF, many custom & semi-custom rifle actions do not have this and are actually in a minority on the firing line at TR/F-class shoots. Years back when Winchester re-adopted the CRF line, (1992'ish?)they chose not to change over to the push feed designs for thier dedicated target rifles. Detachable box magazine, lots of precision shooters hand feed thier single rounds directly onto the feed ramp. And BTW, a CRF actioned rifle would have need the extractor further modified to feed in anything other than right off the top platform of the magazine. (cannot be slipped in as the large Mauser type extractor would prevent a chambering of a loose round off the ramp) Who worries about tool compartments on a precision rifle? Cleaning kits and such belong outside the rifle, not rattling around distracting the shooter. I put forth that this is the very last this thing most riflemen think about. If at all.

Edit: Worry about twist rate when you've decided upon the bullet design/weight to fit your needs and at what distance downrange you want them to perform.
 
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It sounds like the new ruger is what your looking for .
But no we're in your comments do you state accuracy
I think I would do a remy 700 in 308 with detachable
Box mag and down the road if you want to change calibers
You just slap on a new tube .

Ps and you will have some accuracy
 
1remus said:
wow thanks very much for your posts, its nice to see lots of unbiased info.

I'll have to sit down with a gunsmith after I purchase, and see if it will work out.
as my first rifle I expected to get a used rifle, even an old milsurp would do until I outgrew the rifle

I've looked at the axis and the mosin, but im skeptical of their upgradeablety. what do you think of an old spanish mauser? is that worth tinkering with?
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Spanish Mausers have a poor reputation in regards to barrel metallurgy. (barrel wears out too early, as they were initially designed for a slightly lower powered Spanish clone to 7.62 NATO) A rebarrel of this action suddenly puts you easily out of your price range IMO.
 
I myself would not get too hung up on a Mauser actioned rifle. At long range matches, the odd CRF rifle might be a South African Musgrave or a super rare FN Mauser singleshot. These are exceptions to the rule. The primary reason Mausers often are not on the firing line, is that thier lock time (time from firing pin released to actual discharge) is just too long compared to others. Otherwise the ranges are flush with Remington, Savage actions. The most serious shooters might have RPA, BAT, Barnard, Surgeon, Wichita, PGWs and such.
 
I might be old fashioned but really all you need is a good old Lee enfield. Buy an LE, do some bedding and shoot the he'll out of it.

Or, get a $200 mosin, and a case of ammo and have some fun. There's many good videos online about mosin trigger jobs and they can be done with nothing more then a file and an hour.

Honestly you don't need a fancy benchrest rifle to learn how to shoot or to shoot well.
 
You can hate me for saying this; I resented it being told to me.

Get into excellent cardiac shape. Run 5k before you shoot, place your targets and do 30 pushups right away, then start shooting. You'll never shake and your eyes will always focus.

Buy a 22 with iron sights. Practice till you're ready to smash your PAL with it.

When you can't take it anymore, buy an SKS and practice twice as much as you did with your 22.

Now buy whatever you want.
 
The rifle you are looking for is Produced by Winchester and has most of what you need, the
model is the Stealth, Winchester made a few variants in this configuration under different names.
They all had heavy barrels and three position safeties, wonderful triggers, CRF and PF variations,
B&C stocks with aluminium inserts and shot like a house on fire, some the members here have such rifles and I wish I had one too.
You have to look hard but they are out there. As far a s I know no DBM but that can be added.
As a second option l;ook into the FN rifles they also have what you want, a little more expensive but top notch gear all CRF also.
Good Luck
BB
 
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