advice on looking at a used Norinco M14 clone

JR Hartman

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Hey, I know there is the big list in the sticky, but I am not sure I am at a level to be able to go thru all of that while looking at someone elses rifle.

Is there some tips and clues as to what to look for when possibly buying one?

please and thanx!
 
A couple quick points to ponder:

Check the sticky about the function test, which enables you to test the trigger group and safety.

Examine the rear peep sight to see if it sits tightly in its base, the peep is centered and it adjusts smoothly.

Visually examine the bolt fit into the receiver. The bolt locking lugs on both sides should contact snugly with the receiver (look at it with light from below).

Cycle the action to check for smoothness of operation. It will work better if properly lubed (I think a sticky explains this).

With the action removed from the stock, check the alignment of the op rod and piston. The guide through which the op rod travels may be loose, but can easily be fixed.

Check for barrel timing. If the upper hand guards contact the stock on one side, or the front sight looks canted when viewed from the rear, that could indicate off timing. A bit's okay and it can be fixed, but it's better to have a properly timed/aligned barrel, especially if you plan to use the open sights.

Since it came up with the SOCOMs, you might also want to check to see that mags easily insert and come out of the rifle.

I'm sure that there are other factors to look at and that others more versed in these rifles will add their tips, but hope this provides a decent start at what to look for.
 
Look for how much grease is on the gun.
A dry gun is a sad gun and an indication of how they were taken care of...and these puppies need grease.

With the action closed see how much slop is in the bolt. A great deal of slop can mean excessive head space.

Look for burn marks on the face of the bolt. Large headspace can affect the primers and escaping gasses from the primer pit the bolt face.

Look for signs of home tinkering...some guys just are not gunsmiths.

Other then a good bolt fit and decent barrel timing, everything else can be fixed easily by a person witha reasonable llevel of mechanical aptitude
 
this is for the norinco shortys, not for the DA socom right?
i'm seeing way more complaints about the socom than the regular norinco shortys..
 
I have a norinco m305 from 2007 and a da Socom. Now I would say the finish and machining on the Sodom is beter but overall my 2007 doesn't have any of the issues my Sodom has (bolt stop release malfunctioning, magazine release not releasing magazines and opRod guide very loose). both guns have barrels out of index. I'm not complaining I like them both and I don't regret buying either. They are just fixer uppers and easy problems to deal with.
Trevor
 
One of the things you should check out is the bolt locking lugs. Check to see that they're not chipped or really worn - those are signs that the bolt locking lugs may be on the verge of failing...
 
so it would be a toss up quality wise for buying the socom and the m305 shorty, as both can be good and bad?
just seems like overall the socom has a lot more serious issues.
would slight barrel indexing or headspace cause any safety or much accuracy issues?
im more worried about getting one that wont make the proper bang and instead blow my hand or face off...
it looks pretty easy to buy new op rod spring guides and springs after the fact for improvements in cycling and overall accuracy
 
so it would be a toss up quality wise for buying the socom and the m305 shorty, as both can be good and bad?
just seems like overall the socom has a lot more serious issues.
would slight barrel indexing or headspace cause any safety or much accuracy issues?
im more worried about getting one that wont make the proper bang and instead blow my hand or face off...
it looks pretty easy to buy new op rod spring guides and springs after the fact for improvements in cycling and overall accuracy

The vast majority of issues are not safety concerns. The bolt lug fit seen on some recent guns is. And most issues can be spotted with a visual inspection.

If you're not comfortable with rolling the dice on quality, you shouldn't buy one.
 
There are a couple of 2007's buried in the EE right now. I've had 6 of these M305's and the 2005-2007's tend to be the best for function.
Shorties, Socom or not, are hit and miss. My replacement Socom needed a new bolt catch and clearancing on the mag release, but I'm keeping it.
 
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