While I understand where you are coming from I think you are missing the whole point around posession and tagging laws.... the laws are intended so that people who purchase licenses and tags are actually using them for hunting and not just giving them to fellow hunters so that they can shoot more deer... Your stepson was cold and hungery... welcome to hunting....lol... it is still your responsibility as holder of that tag to be the one and only one who places it on a game animal... Excuse aren't reasons and believe it or not, some of these laws are in place for valid reasons....
Advice requested: ONT charge - "Unlawfully possess another person's seal"
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While I understand where you are coming from I think you are missing the whole point around posession and tagging laws.... the laws are intended so that people who purchase licenses and tags are actually using them for hunting and not just giving them to fellow hunters so that they can shoot more deer... Your stepson was cold and hungery... welcome to hunting....lol... it is still your responsibility as holder of that tag to be the one and only one who places it on a game animal... Excuse aren't reasons and believe it or not, some of these laws are in place for valid reasons....
No, I understand the point of the rules just fine. I may just be an accountant, but I can read.
My point is that my violation of the strict rule was not a violation of the spirit of the rules, i.e. "the laws are intended so that people who purchase licenses and tags are actually using them for hunting and not just giving them to fellow hunters so that they can shoot more deer".
You know, this kind of response leads me to conclude that making more and more regulations and laws just makes the sheeple intellectually lazy. "I don't need to understand the intention of our societal rules, I just need to follow what's written down to the letter, without thought. Then I will be OK."
I have taught my boys that the most important thing is to understand the underlying principles of how we should behave in a civilized society ("the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule are a pretty good place to start). Knowing those will help guide your behaviour.
Messing up on the specifics of written regs can bring consequences, I understand that. But when you don't actually violate the principles underlying the rule, and aren't a #### about it with the CO, a warning would be more appreciated. The lesson would still have been learned!
I'll say it again, the law does not necessarily equal justice.
Can I blame the CO personally for not being able to read my mind and then he could know what kind of person I am and what I had intended? No, of course not. But I can still grumble about the system, imperfect as it is. And in the end, the lesson learned is: carry your papers, and only yours. Follow the rules religiously, even the idiotic ones (like encasing your firearm after dark; how am I supposed to use my carry strap on my shoulder when its encased?? I suppose I should just stumble around in the dark with the unloaded firearm in my hands instead of on my back, right?).
Thanks for everyone's comments. Class is dismissed. I learned a lot!
Well said. Blind adherence to law (and blind administration of said law, as evidenced here) is the hallmark of an oppressed people or a people who are apathetic. A good parallel of this would be the Sheriff's down south, who boldly state that they will not carry out onerous and burdensome 2nd amendment violations disguised as "laws". That's using your head.
There is no harm in dismissing any regulation you do not like or disagree with you are your own tiller when making choices. Do not complain about it after you get caught.It sounds like rules are for everyone else but not for u.It has been reiterated in this thread ,Ignorance is not a defense.
Agreed. Ignorance is not a defense, and claiming you believe in the "sprit of the law" while you break it isn't either. If you choose to do something you know is illegal, whether or not the law is even reasonable, you have no claim of "injustice" if you get caught. The law is an ass at times; but it is still the law. Get it changed, or continue to ignore it, or just follow it are your choices. But don't go on the internet and whine if you get caught knowingly flaunting a law. Pay the fine. Move on.
Reading this tells me you clearly don't understand... I could go on all day about this but by your posts you clearly have no understanding about how the law applies to tagging amd party hunting and what your responsibility is as a hunter... You buggered up and I suggest you just pay and get it over with
I'm getting the feeling as well, that he doesn't get it.
It's your duty to take this to court, fight it and make it cost the gov't more than the ticket they gave you (judge salary, prosecutors salary, cops salary, court costs).
You'll lose, you were wrong by the letter of the law, but you can at least burden the system a little and make it cost the system more than it costs you.
That is satisfaction enough to make the ticket worth it. May as well get your monies worth.
Freetard...is that you???
No you would not be entitled to take a deer and have him seal it, because you did not have your own license on your person at that time, and should not have been hunting.
1) You were not in possession of your OWN license.
2) You were not hunting with anyone that possessed a game seal
3) You were carrying license(s) that did not belong to you
4) You Step-son was also hunting without a license
So IF your step son was with you AND was carrying his own license and seal, AND you had your license with you, then yes you could shoot a deer.
For sure he doesn't get it. At first I was feeling sorry for him (post 3 maybe?) but not now.
As Superbrad note, there is a reason for this law. And I can tell you that I know guys who have their kid, their wife, their neighbour all get tags but none of them actually go hunting and the 1 guy would tag the deer with their tags.....clearly illegal. Perhaps this was not his intent but that's why its there and that's why he got ticketed
As Superbrad note, there is a reason for this law. And I can tell you that I know guys who have their kid, their wife, their neighbour all get tags but none of them actually go hunting and the 1 guy would tag the deer with their tags.....clearly illegal. Perhaps this was not his intent but that's why its there and that's why he got ticketed
It's your duty to take this to court, fight it and make it cost the gov't more than the ticket they gave you (judge salary, prosecutors salary, cops salary, court costs).
You'll lose, you were wrong by the letter of the law, but you can at least burden the system a little and make it cost the system more than it costs you.
That is satisfaction enough to make the ticket worth it. May as well get your monies worth.
You know you're just happily allowing them to bend you over and f*** you three times up the arse when you do that. You're money is going to pay the ticket, you're making no money from not working, and your tax dollars pay for their extra salaries.
I can only hope you were being sarcastic, otherwise you haven't got a clue.
So everyone else is to blame for a ticket instead of a warning ?. There is a reason most of us follow the law as it appears in the CCC or the regulation as opposed to the spirit of the law, you get charged by the regulations and the CCC when you go to court not whether you live a christian lifestyle and are a pretty decent guy . When I was in the US I received a traffic violation ticket, when the Cop pulled me over I said yep I did it you saw me and took my fine as given . Perhaps I could have said thats a stupid law or no one was endangered or that the cop was a stupid Jerk instead I took my one fine and had a decent conversation with the cop about the area and got a souvenir picture for my 230 bucks .
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Well, you guys have set me right, that's fer sure. Time for me to go back for remedial training in the hunting regulations. I got what I deserved!
Go have your day in court. the people that dismiss this effectively turn CO's and police into judges and juries. They are NOT judges and juries. They can charge you, but cannot and should not be allowed to convict you - and the two things are very different. You got charged, and probably rightfully so. It's still your duty to have your day in court and defend yourself in court.
Further, there's a reason WHY you get your day in court. So you can have an unbiased person (the judge) review your case and convict you or not. The CO is not unbiased, and again, that's why they're not allowed to convict you (unless you let them). It's your right to have an unbiased person review the merits of your case, and some here are making the case (as would I) that by not doing so you're contributing to the problem, i.e. showing up in court is something you should be doing to prevent CO's and police from using ticketing as a revenue source for the gov't.
In other words, don't make this about were you right or wrong. That's not your decision or the CO's to make - it's the judge's decision. Make this about that as a citizen it's really part of your general duties to defend yourself from overzealous CO's.
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You're trusting your son to safely handle a firearm. But you cant trust him to safely handle a piece of paper?
