onetwentyish
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more like a AUG look a like, runs the same border as the ATRS Modern line.
Advice: T97 or Tavor IWI (Gen 1 or X95)
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more like a AUG look a like, runs the same border as the ATRS Modern line.
onetwentyish
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I say pick up a used TAR-21 on the EE, there value is unmatchable at this time, and most quirks can be improved should you feel it is necessary.
However the x95 is better out of the box in my opinion and better for someone who does not want to spend a lot upgrading with aftermarket parts.
However the x95 is better out of the box in my opinion and better for someone who does not want to spend a lot upgrading with aftermarket parts.
Seen the RDB on some southern gun sites for around 1000$ I believe the MSRP is like $1273. An RFB is 1950msrp so I would imagine we see them for around 16-1700$. If we see them, but I'm sure there will be "supply and demand" piracy afoot until they start coming up in numbers.
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I always thought vault was the distributor up here?
The receiver of an AUG ( that huge aluminum pressure cast piece) is the registered firearm. The F90 practically ditches that and replaces it with a plastic clam shells like FN2000.
I think the argument is that the receiver is completely different, but it happens that the stock, trigger, and bolt groups are of the same design.
is it going to fly? The precedents produced by the lab do not seem to be consistent and sometimes murky. So it is 50/50. By heritage, it comes from Aussie AUG even Lithgow admitted and advertised so. By technicality, the receiver is not an AUG - aluminum pressure cast, QD barrel feature..etc, i think it is patented. It is an AUG but also not an AUG.
Anyways, even if it is available, it will be confined to 5 rd AUG mag. There is no "nato stock" for it. Just because of this, X95 will have a huge leg above it.
onetwentyish
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Right. My bad. You are correct!
onetwentyish
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ATRS MHR lower does not use the AR15 architecture as defined by two push pins and a retained buffer in a tube. Hence MHR has only 1 push pin and some weird way to keep the buffer in place and the modified bolt carrier.
What it is defining an AUG is a bit less clear. The biggest feature of an AUG receiver is a QD barrel mechanism, a build in trunnion that the barrel can ratcheted into. The receiver assembly is locked onto the stock by a cross bolt ( the square push button ) mechanism. The recoil spring and the gas system are running on each side parallel to each other.
The difference between the F90 and the F88 is the way the receiver holds the barrel. The F90 doesn't even have a barrel trunnion of any type. It is just a plastic skeleton holding the barrel ahead of the chamber section. It boils down to if this is, in the eyes of the lab or their internal tallying, major or scoring enough to make it not an AUG receiver architecture.
Lithgow says on their website the Lithgow's F90 lineage is the Aug. That right there is probably all the RCMP needs to make their decision.
Ar180shooter
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You're more than welcome to go to the U.S., buy one ($1600 USD = $2120 CAD at today's exchange rate), and export it to Canada instead of whining. Additionally, the prices for the .223 versions are almost universally $1749USD from what I've seen on line at reputable dealers, and these are all the 16.5" versions (only place I found cheaper is on Gunbroker). Might not be that much cheaper at the end of the day, but at least you've stuck it to the man, right?
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get the x95 my wife has one and its a sweet gun very little recoil better then the 2,5 she had
onetwentyish
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At the end of the day you have done nothing internally to make it a more reliable rifle, nor have you done anything with regards to addressing the in-ability to have any spare parts.
If reliability and spare parts are of no concern to you, nor is aftermarket support, than sure, buy a T97. But if you put value on having a dead nuts reliable rifle that goes bang every time, has factory parts support, and has aftermarket support from big trigger and accessory makers makers, than either Tavor is a must.
Personally, with Tar-21 prices being in the gutter right now they are a far better value for your dollar, but in my opinion the x95 is the better "out of the box" option, and is the leading edge of bullpups.
Thanks for the insight. I'm pretty new to shooting and am just trying to get more info about my first firearm purchase. I started looking at the t97 then after reading more was directed to the tar21, then the x95. I've seen a lot of people have feed issues and other problems with the t97 and the x95 seems to load pretty much anything. I think my mind is pretty much made up now lol. X95!
