Advise on long range hunting setup needed

Nothing wrong with wanting to shoot game at long range. Its lots of fun actually. Just don't make the shot if you are not comfortable. With enough practice a cold bore 500-600 yard shot is no sweat. But please, invest in a good range finder along with your rifle.
 
Good thread. I had many of the same questions and ended up getting the Leica 1600. Been testing it. Brick buildings/rock up to approx 1900m. Doesn't like oblique angles (makes sense), windows (not that it matters for hunting) or water. Sensitive to branches in the range you're looking at. Gives declination, temp and pressure. Ignore the ballistics. Easy and intuitive to use.
 
Lots of good advice. Start of with good rings and base, just because it says extreme or tactical doesn't meen it can hold up. Get the scope mounted properly either yourself or pay some one. Just like the rest of life if it was done in 30 seconds chances are it wont be good. Spend the extra $20 on a quality recoil pad. A brake looks kinda cool and helps somewhat but when I'm hunting I still would like to hear things in the bush so I don't wear hearing protection and a 300 with a brake barks pretty good. And better chances than not, even at distance critters spook and run 50 yards after the shot, hit or miss. So a quick follow up isn't practical so don't worry about losing site picture you are going to have to repossition anyways. Spend lots of trigger time, and looking down range with the set-up. The biggest thing is to have familarity with what you shoot.

Biggest piece of advice...Be happy with what you bought.
 
Hey blackacres. I see you mentioned the savage 110 fcp hs precision. I to am looking for a precision rifle in .338 lapua, and seen this rifle on their web page. I was wondering if you could give me some more infomation on your experience with this rifle. I own a .17 hmr mako shark version in savage. and love this rifle. was just wondering what you liked and disliked about the 110 fcp?
 
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hey sorry to hijack this tread, Just a quick question regarding Caliber. Would you recommend a 7mm Rem mag for long range shooting? My interest are similar to Chin_Dude only I would be hunting Mountain Sheep/goat.
 
hey sorry to hijack this tread, Just a quick question regarding Caliber. Would you recommend a 7mm Rem mag for long range shooting? My interest are similar to Chin_Dude only I would be hunting Mountain Sheep/goat.

Some of the 7s are decent for medium range. The advantage that the 30 cal has is greater bullet selection to choose from and heavier bullets, which according to physics will retain both velocity and energy further than lighter bullets.
This IS important for long range hunting.
I have cleanly taken game at distance out to 900 yards with a 7 Rem Mag but it really was on the last bit of its capability, I would not recommend doing this on a daily basis.
A 200 to 220 gr bullet from a 300 Win mag or the like will give you a nice velocity/energy safety margin for distance that the 175 to 190 gr bullet in the 7s just don't have.
 
hey sorry to hijack this tread, Just a quick question regarding Caliber. Would you recommend a 7mm Rem mag for long range shooting? My interest are similar to Chin_Dude only I would be hunting Mountain Sheep/goat.

Yes, yes I would. Lots of takedown power right out to 1000 yards if you are confident enough for that kinda shot. My longest shot on game so far is just over 600. She fell like someone took the rug from under her feet. Haven't had the chance to go longer than that yet. The math says you should have over 900 ft lbs of energy at 1k with 168g bergers.
 
Who gives a crap about FPE??? As long as the bullet has enough velocity remaining to expand properly, and enough momentum to penetrate through whatever lies between it and the vitals, I'm happy. Kinetic energy is a nice theoretical yard stick of how much potential work a bullet can do, but there are so many variables and factors involved in how that energy is used, that it is not a good measure for comparing the lethality of various bullets.

Secondly, 7mm bullets will give you a bigger bang for your recoil/powder consumption "buck", so to speak. Take two cartridges with like powder capacity, the 7RM and the .300WM. Fire a 180gr VLD in the 7RM at 3000fps, and the 210gr VLD in the .300WM at 3000fps, and tell me which one will arrive at 1000 yards with more velocity/energy. As long as the bullet retains 1800fps or more, it will kill cleanly and easily.

In order to gain anything in .308 over 7mm, you have to step up to a higher powder-capacity boiler room, so you can send the truly high-BC bullets faster than you can send the equivalent 7mm bullet. This means more powder burned, and a lot more recoil, neither of which I would suggest for someone who is just getting into LR shooting/hunting.

The 7RM is about as large as I would suggest for somebody looking to get into shooting sheep at 450-500 yards (or even 900-1000 yards), and it would be about perfect for a guy wanting to shoot elk/moose at that same range. If you start a 162gr A-Max at 3100fps, it should still retain enough velocity, depending on atmospheric conditions, to expand properly out to beyond 1300 yards, BTW. The 180gr VLD at 3000fps is more of a good thing. There are too many videos floating around of people killing big critters beyond 1000 yards with a 7RM for me to suggest that it's marginal at best.

Long story short, a Big 7 will give you "more for less" than a .300 Mag. If you want to shoot extreme distances (I'm talking about shooting at like 1200+ yards, here), you could step up to a .300RUM, or similar, to send those heavy, high-BC bullets at high velocity, but then you might as well just step up to a big .338 and enjoy truly good LR bullets, with enough velocity to make them really effective.

We need to remember that bullet weight is only one factor in calculating a bullet's BC value. It is not the final word in exterior ballistics.

Chin/Pseudo,

Get a 7RM or a long-throated 6.5x55, or something like that. It'll make for a lower-recoiling, ligher-weight rifle. That will make it more enjoyable (and cheaper!) to practice with, and it'll be just as effective as the .300WSM or .300WM when it comes to killing stuff (keeping in mind that 90% of killing power comes from putting a good bullet in the right spot, 8% from proper bullet performance, and 2% from the specific cartridge that you choose). For shooting stuff at 450-500 yards, you could make do with about any factory sporting rifle, chambered in any legal chambering, using a decent scope with a LR reticle or decent elevation turret. IMO, 500 yards is really not that far, at all.
 
Sorry, yeah this thread has gone a little off topic hasn't it. I would suggest that you contact/ PM plainSight Solutions. He has given me a lot of great info on scopes and could probably give you information on price value of said scopes. I wish I could be of more help but unfortunately my knowledge is limited.
 
The OP has a couple of questions marks, but no actual questions that I can see.

I'm not sure if he's wondering what optic to use, where to get it, which optics fit within his budget, or which optics would be best suited to his application.
 
Try again. The 7mm bullet arrives with more velocity, and the .300 bullet arrives with slightly more energy (we're talking ~1300ft-lbs vs. ~1200ft-lbs), but the 7mm is gaining on the .300 bullet fast. By 1200 yards they're nearly equal in energy. But again, who cares about energy.

Using JBM ballistic engine:

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It's pretty impossible for the .300WM to arrive with more velocity when the two bullets are started at the same velocity, and the 7mm bullet has a higher BC, meaning that the 7mm bullet just keeps pulling farther and farther away as the distance increases.
 
Try again. The 7mm bullet arrives with more velocity, and the .300 bullet arrives with slightly more energy (we're talking ~1300ft-lbs vs. ~1200ft-lbs), but the 7mm is gaining on the .300 bullet fast

No need to try again. My ballistic programs has my Matrix 210vld at 1971 fps and 1812 ft-lbs of energy. Using your 7mm 180gr @ 3000fps, I'm getting 1772 fps and 1255 ft-lbs.
 
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