Advise on long range hunting setup needed

wheels said:
No need to try again. My ballistic programs has my Matrix 210vld at 1971 fps and 1812 ft-lbs of energy. Using your 7mm 180gr @ 3000fps, I'm getting 1772 fps and 1255 ft-lbs.
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Best to compare apples to apples. If you want to use Matrix bullets, then use the 7mm Matrix bullets, too ;)
 
I Was dumb, Hijacked the tread, and asked what i thought was a simple question about 7mm rem mag. Then things got out a hand... Kinda like religion at a dinner table. I'm waiting for someone to throw down the gloves :p .
 
I run a 300wsm with a 6-24 x 50 bushnell elite tactical and I've taken deer as far as 850y. This scope is very good at low light at all but max mag, it has good turrets that are very repeatable and you should be able to get one for around 600.00

If the savage you are looking at has the same recoil pad as mine you wont be bothered by recoil. My 10 year old son took his first mule deer this fall with this rifle at 458 yards, clean double lung shot.

I agree with Magnum peanut though, I don't have a break and even though the recoil is completely manageable it is very difficult to get back on target for follow up shots if needed. If I ever put one on I will be looking for one that directs the blast partially upwards to keep the muzzle down and not create a dust cloud.
 
Nope, no gloves flying around on this end. I just wanted to point out that the .300 Mag doesn't have the LR ballistic advantage over the 7Mag that some people seem to think it does. To the contrary, the farther out you go, the more of an advantage the 7mm has, when using similar launching platforms.

As far as scopes go, for moose and elk out to 500 yards, pick up a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 and send it to Zeiss for a target elevation turret. Done. If you're more of a fixed power guy, then a 6x Leup with an M1 elevation turret works great, too.
 
Jordan Smith said:
Nope, no gloves flying around on this end. I just wanted to point out that the .300 Mag doesn't have the LR ballistic advantage over the 7Mag that some people seem to think it does. To the contrary, the farther out you go, the more of an advantage the 7mm has, when using similar launching platforms.

As far as scopes go, for moose and elk out to 500 yards, pick up a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 and send it to Zeiss for a target elevation turret. Done. If you're more of a fixed power guy, then a 6x Leup with an M1 elevation turret works great, too.
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Regarding the Zeiss scopes, I started a thread not long ago to see what people thought of Zeiss and it seems that there a winner! cou: Definitely the scope im buying. check it out. some good advice on that thread
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=680241
 
Saw that thread, but didn't respond because several people had already given you good advise. I've used a number of Conquest scopes. Definitely one of the best "bang for your buck" scopes around. The elevation and windage adjustments are precise, accurate, repeatable, and the clicks are firm and crisp. The glass is clear and bright, and the scopes are tough as nails. The only downsides are the weight, and the size of the ocular. Also, for long-range purposes, the after-market target turrets that Zeiss installs could use horizontal revolution hashmarks, as well as a vertically-moving erector assembly to go with it, so you can tell how many revolutions you've twisted.
 
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Thanks for the replies, I think i will be going with a savage 116 new or a used tikka in 300 win. I am not sold on the brake but undecided on the 4-14 or 6-20ish power range in scopes.
 
Jordan Smith said:
Saw that thread, but didn't respond because several people had already given you good advise. I've used a number of Conquest. Definitely one of the best "bang for your buck" scopes around. The elevation and windage adjustments are precise, accurate, repeatable, and the clicks are firm and crisp. The glass is clear and bright, and the scopes are tough as nails. The only downsides are the weight, and the size of the ocular. Also, for long range purposes, the after-market target turrets that Zeiss installs could use horizontal revolution hashmarks, as well as a vertically-moving erector assembly to go with it, so you can tell how many revolutions you've twisted.
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I think for my long range rifle which will be a 7mm Rem mag probably in a Sako Bavarian. I will be buying a Swarovski, I will also be spending a lot more then just 600 on the scope. I watched there video on the Ballistic Turret system they use and WOW, I was impressed.
 
chin_dude said:
Thanks for the replies, I think i will be going with a savage 116 new or a used tikka in 300 win. I am not sold on the brake but undecided on the 4-14 or 6-20ish power range in scopes.
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I will tell you what other people told me on the previous thread I had started. 600$ is not a lot to spend on a scope and to quote someone ells on this tread (cant remember who :p) "buying cheap is for the rich". My suggestion wait a little longer, save a bit more and get a really nice scope that you will be happy with and wont want to part with in a few years down the road. My father spent 1200$ on his scope 35 years ago, took care of it and still accurate. Speaking of my old man, He has a tikka in a 30-06, I really like that gun, Nice all around work horse. He got it at the same time as the scope. Can't go wrong with a Tikka.
 
Just a quick note- once you get passed $400-500 for a riflescope, you're not buying any more reliability or durability when you spend more. You're buying optical quality, mechanical durability and precision, etc.

I don't think you'll ever be disappointed with the Conquest. You'll have to spend 2x the money to gain a 5% increase in performance, IMO.
 
Best to compare apples to apples. If you want to use Matrix bullets, then use the 7mm Matrix bullets, too
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Don't think Matrix makes a 180gr 7mm VLD. Out of curiosity, what's your load that you're using to get 3000fps from a 180gr 7mm? I have a friend that I reload for that just got a 7mm and is interested in trying some longer range shooting with it.
 
wheels said:
Don't think Matrix makes a 180gr 7mm VLD. Out of curiosity, what's your load that you're using to get 3000fps from a 180gr 7mm? I have a friend that I reload for that just got a 7mm and is interested in trying some longer range shooting with it.
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Yeah, they make a 190gr VLD, rather than a 180. The reason I posted that comment is that Matrix lists static BC values, rather than G1's, so they really are apples and oranges when comparing to other bullet makers. To get a real comparison, you have to use Matrix BC values for both cartridges that you're comparing.

I like R25 and IMR7828ssc for the heavy bullets. H1000 and Retumbo supposedly work well, too. I personally shoot the 162gr A-Max out of my various 7Mag rifles, since it's accurate, ballistically excellent, and quite economical . I use IMR7828ssc, and I get ~3100fps.
 
Yeah, they make a 190gr VLD, rather than a 180. The reason I posted that comment is that Matrix lists static BC values, rather than G1's, so they really are apples and oranges when comparing to other bullet makers. To get a real comparison, you have to use Matrix BC values for both cartridges that you're comparing.
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Agreed, but are you going to be able to get 3000fps from a 180/190gr from a 7mm?

Thanks for the R25/7828 recommendations.
 
You bet. It's about as hard to get 3000fps from a 180gr VLD in a 7RM as it is a 200gr VLD in a .300WM, from what I've seen. You have to step on the gas a bit, but it's do-able.
 
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