After being prohibited from owning weapons

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Is there anything you are required to do in order to get a PAL license?

I have come across different info and would appreciate it if someone could clear it up.

Course required or can i challenge the test?
Does it havce to be 2 day course, or can it be accelerated 1 day?
Anything else i am required to do?



For anyone wondering 10 years ago i was charge with a weapons offence (having a bb gun in my car), went to court and was acquitted. But between my arrest and court date, which was one year i was prohibited form owning any guns.
 
SpeedFreakPL said:
Is there anything you are required to do in order to get a PAL license?

I have come across different info and would appreciate it if someone could clear it up.

Course required or can i challenge the test?
Does it havce to be 2 day course, or can it be accelerated 1 day?
Anything else i am required to do?



For anyone wondering 10 years ago i was charge with a weapons offence (having a bb gun in my car), went to court and was acquitted. But between my arrest and court date, which was one year i was prohibited form owning any guns.
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I don't know about Ontario but here in Alberta you can challenge the test. Non-restricted course is 2 days and I believe the restricted course is only 1 day. If you are still prohibited from owning a weapon, call a lawyer and see what you can do. However, you can still challenge the test even if you have a weapon prohibition on you, just make sure you keep the proof that you passed the test successfully.
 
Acquitted and they still gave you a prohibition? Geezuz!. Your year's prohibition is long over. You deal with it the same as the rest of us. Challenge the test or take the courses.
I'd bet you're flagged though.
 
The only question you must answer "Yes" to out of the "No" questions is the one that asks if you have ever been prohibited from owning firearms? I can't remember the exact question. Maybe it's "Have you ever been declined a firearms license?" or something to that effect.
 
sunray said:
Acquitted and they still gave you a prohibition? Geezuz!. Your year's prohibition is long over. You deal with it the same as the rest of us. Challenge the test or take the courses.
I'd bet you're flagged though.
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Thats what i thought, but i tried to do a course and was told by the instructor that i need to do a 2 day vs 1 day that he provided because of what i had in the past.

I contacted another instructor and he said it didnt matter. Im getting conflicting results from the people who are supposed to know these things lol
 
Its non of the instructor bussness what your past is. They should be giving the course equally to everyone.
It will be up to the RCMP and the CFC as to what happens after the course/or challange is done, passed and sent in.
 
SpeedFreakPL said:
Thats what i thought, but i tried to do a course and was told by the instructor that i need to do a 2 day vs 1 day that he provided because of what i had in the past.

I contacted another instructor and he said it didnt matter. Im getting conflicting results from the people who are supposed to know these things lol
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Use the one that said it doesn't matter
 
When you were charged it was part of your release conditions to not be in possession of firearms or explosives I would assume? You actually were never convicted and prohibited from owning firearms as in a prohibition order, it is common for those release conditions on a charge such as that and many others.

I don't think i would answer the question on the application with a yes as to being prohibited from owning firearms, don't confuse the two I think they are totally different.... if you have been acquitted and have not filed to have the records removed from the system you need to as it will affect border crossings also...Once the arrest records are removed and you send in a firearms application the incident will not be visible to them when they check...

You will have no problem either way getting a firearms license so just challenge it or take the course and get it done....Good luck...:)
 
Ontarian here...
I challenged the exam, my brother (who had been charged in the last 5 years and, prohibited from ownership for the duration of his probation) took the course...It's my understanding he had to. Regardless, he's out chasing whitetails (legally) this morning.

Funny part about red flags, he and, my girlfriend took the course at the same time but, he received his PAL about a month faster.
 
It sounds like JOJOPINTO is on the right track. Weapons orders are commonly part of release conditions. The conditions would not longer be in effect, so you could apply for a PAL if you have had the courses.
 
SpeedFreakPL said:
Is there anything you are required to do in order to get a PAL license?

I have come across different info and would appreciate it if someone could clear it up.

Course required or can i challenge the test?
Does it havce to be 2 day course, or can it be accelerated 1 day?
Anything else i am required to do?



For anyone wondering 10 years ago i was charge with a weapons offence (having a bb gun in my car), went to court and was acquitted. But between my arrest and court date, which was one year i was prohibited form owning any guns.
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That prohibition would have been part of your Bail and is not the same as a prohibition order from sentencing.

You should not have to do the course if you do not want to.
 
AWOL said:
The only question you must answer "Yes" to out of the "No" questions is the one that asks if you have ever been prohibited from owning firearms? I can't remember the exact question. Maybe it's "Have you ever been declined a firearms license?" or something to that effect.
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It is specifically asking about the last 5 years for the applicant and anyone they live with.

In the OP's case the answer would be no.
 
JOJOPINTO said:
When you were charged it was part of your release conditions to not be in possession of firearms or explosives I would assume? You actually were never convicted and prohibited from owning firearms as in a prohibition order, it is common for those release conditions on a charge such as that and many others.

I don't think i would answer the question on the application with a yes as to being prohibited from owning firearms, don't confuse the two I think they are totally different.... if you have been acquitted and have not filed to have the records removed from the system you need to as it will affect border crossings also...Once the arrest records are removed and you send in a firearms application the incident will not be visible to them when they check...

You will have no problem either way getting a firearms license so just challenge it or take the course and get it done....Good luck...:)
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You're right on, and after i have been acquitted i had the records destroyed...
 
In Ontario there is no such thing as an "accelerated" course that is recognized by the CFO. For the CFSC in Ontario you have to receive 10 hours of instruction.

Here's what the criminal code says about getting a PAL after a prohibition order:

After expiration of prohibition order

(3) An individual against whom a prohibition order was made

(a) is eligible to hold a licence only if the individual has, after the expiration of the prohibition order,
(i) successfully completed the Canadian Firearms Safety Course, as given by an instructor who is designated by a chief firearms officer, and

(ii) passed the tests, as administered by an instructor who is designated by a chief firearms officer, that form part of that Course; and

(b) is eligible to hold a licence authorizing the individual to possess restricted firearms only if the individual has, after the expiration of the prohibition order,
(i) successfully completed a restricted firearms safety course that is approved by the federal Minister, as given by an instructor who is designated by a chief firearms officer, and

(ii) passed any tests, as administered by an instructor who is designated by a chief firearms officer, that form part of that course.

The CFC (1-800-731-4000) should be able to tell you if they have a prohibition order for you on file.
 
dHb said:
In Ontario there is no such thing as an "accelerated" course that is recognized by the CFO. For the CFSC in Ontario you have to receive 10 hours of instruction.

Here's what the criminal code says about getting a PAL after a prohibition order:

After expiration of prohibition order

(3) An individual against whom a prohibition order was made

(a) is eligible to hold a licence only if the individual has, after the expiration of the prohibition order,
(i) successfully completed the Canadian Firearms Safety Course, as given by an instructor who is designated by a chief firearms officer, and

(ii) passed the tests, as administered by an instructor who is designated by a chief firearms officer, that form part of that Course; and

(b) is eligible to hold a licence authorizing the individual to possess restricted firearms only if the individual has, after the expiration of the prohibition order,
(i) successfully completed a restricted firearms safety course that is approved by the federal Minister, as given by an instructor who is designated by a chief firearms officer, and

(ii) passed any tests, as administered by an instructor who is designated by a chief firearms officer, that form part of that course.

The CFC (1-800-731-4000) should be able to tell you if they have a prohibition order for you on file.
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Thats not what i was told by the people at http://www.terranovafirm.com , course was 6 to 6.5 hours. Told me it was the "accelerated course"
 
SpeedFreakPL said:
Thats not what i was told by the people at http://www.terranovafirm.com , course was 6 to 6.5 hours. Told me it was the "accelerated course"
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According to the ON CFO whom regulates the course in ON the combined course has to be 16 hrs of class time.

From a quick read of that site there are things on that site that are not necessarily true and are written in a very 'sales' oriented manner instead of merely factual. Such could be misleading in some ways such as the notes on their course and if you need to take it.

As for the requirements of the course:

http://www.fsesoi.org/index.php/courses-and-fees.html

&

http://www.fsesoi.org/index.php/should-i-take-the-course.html


You can easily confirm the info needed here:

RCMP Canadian Firearms Program:

1 - 8 0 0 - 7 3 1 - 4 0 0 0

OR

The Chief Firearms Office of Ontario:

1 - 8 0 0 - 7 3 1 - 4 0 0 0 extension 7 5 0 3
 
Shalimar said:
According to the ON CFO whom regulates the course in ON the combined course has to be 16 hrs of class time.

From a quick read of that site there are things on that site that are not necessarily true and are written in a very 'sales' oriented manner instead of merely factual. Such could be misleading in some ways such as the notes on their course and if you need to take it.

As for the requirements of the course:

http://www.fsesoi.org/index.php/courses-and-fees.html

&

http://www.fsesoi.org/index.php/should-i-take-the-course.html


You can easily confirm the info needed here:

RCMP Canadian Firearms Program:

1 - 8 0 0 - 7 3 1 - 4 0 0 0

OR

The Chief Firearms Office of Ontario:

1 - 8 0 0 - 7 3 1 - 4 0 0 0 extension 7 5 0 3
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I gave them a call and it turns out i have to complete the full 2 day course because of having the prohibition before my court date.
Thanks for the phone numbers and thanks for all the responses.
 
Don't put too much faith in the instructors. They don't know all the ins and outs of the law. They just have a little piece of paper allowing them to offer the course.

SpeedFreakPL said:
Thats not what i was told by the people at http://www.terranovafirm.com , course was 6 to 6.5 hours. Told me it was the "accelerated course"
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The "accelerated course" is probably more like the instructor teaching you the minimum needed for you to challenge the course exam and pass.
 
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