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More or less I'm wondering where can someone find a how to manual when taking apart and cleaning the rifle yes I have saw the vids for it I just do better with a diagram and instructions ... at the same time are there any companies that make after market for this rifle .. scopes/sites mags bipods ECT and 1 last question where can someone find a great deal within Canada for 6.5x55 ... already have 2 boxes of round nose with lead showing for hunting I just want some to plink with
 
Heres the manual stevespages.com/pdf/ljungmann_ag_42b.pdf ...there really is no aftermarket for the Ag42, its not a very common milsurp .. With ammo be carfull the ag42 is very ammo sensitive , most new factory ammo is loaded too hot and has slow burning powder that is very hard on the guns action .. The gun likes powder with a medium burn rate like IMR 4895 , reloader 15 or varget . if you must shoot factory ammo stick to european ammo like Privi , S&B , or norma ,, i think SFRC sells Privi it seems to work ok .. Its not a rifle for the novice shooter ..
 
John Sukey said:
And be sure to pack a lunch when you go out to pick up your fired cases;)
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And a supper and some camping gear. Good news is they should all be somewhere in a 90 degree arc to your front right (12 to 3), but somewhere between you and 2 counties over.

I've had some brass land beside me at arms reach, but some, GOODBYE. Out of 40 round of milsurp ammo, I recovered at least 20 rounds but not more then 30. (this took damn near an hour) Even though milsurp is not reloadable I did it b/c it keeps the area clean, and reduces the chance of it getting picked up in the lawn mower.
 
I love my Ljungman! It was my first gun (25 years ago), and I still have all my fingers.

Surplus ammo has gotten scarce, and when you do find it, cost rivals (or exceeds) modern ammo. (As Chemist pointed out...SFRC does carry it! Awesome to deal with)

You can put re-loads through it. I wouldn't reload anything out of mine though. I haven't done the "gas port mod" so, not only does the ammo land 20+feet away, it's torn up pretty badly.

Take down is very easy too.

Enjoy what might be the most accurate of the surplus semi's. Almost no recoil...it make up for it in noise, and brass flinging.

KEEP A VERY CLOSE EYE ON YOUR MAGAZINE!!!! They were issued one per rifle. Spares are difficult to find, and very expensive.
 
camster said:
I love my Ljungman! It was my first gun (25 years ago), and I still have all my fingers.

Surplus ammo has gotten scarce, and when you do find it, cost rivals (or exceeds) modern ammo. (As Chemist pointed out...SFRC does carry it! Awesome to deal with)

You can put re-loads through it. I wouldn't reload anything out of mine though. I haven't done the "gas port mod" so, not only does the ammo land 20+feet away, it's torn up pretty badly.

Take down is very easy too.

Enjoy what might be the most accurate of the surplus semi's. Almost no recoil...it make up for it in noise, and brass flinging.

KEEP A VERY CLOSE EYE ON YOUR MAGAZINE!!!! They were issued one per rifle. Spares are difficult to find, and very expensive.
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Very ture with the brass, i shooting it since mine is super accuarate, and at the same time i hate it because i cant find my brass.
 
lol memory lane

John Sukey said:
One other feature about these. An M1 Thumb is NOTHING compared to what a Ljungman can do. That bolt comes forward like a guillotine!;)
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So true! I bought mine at a local auction. No one had seen one before. I was about 15, fiddling with it. Got the action open, pulled the mag(stays open on empty) and, pulled the cover back again...SNAP! You should have all the "gun-lovin'-know-it-alls" leap back from that! I still have all my fingers.

I was teased for lugging it around chasing whitetails...got my first deer with it though (also 25 years ago...).

A buddy's Dad (in Iqaluit) has one with a scope mounted...awesome seal rifle.
 
Bcviking said:
Heres the manual stevespages.com/pdf/ljungmann_ag_42b.pdf ...there really is no aftermarket for the Ag42, its not a very common milsurp .. With ammo be carfull the ag42 is very ammo sensitive , most new factory ammo is loaded too hot and has slow burning powder that is very hard on the guns action .. The gun likes powder with a medium burn rate like IMR 4895 , reloader 15 or varget . if you must shoot factory ammo stick to european ammo like Privi , S&B , or norma ,, i think SFRC sells Privi it seems to work ok .. Its not a rifle for the novice shooter ..
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I've had good luck with Remington's CoreLokt 140 gr in mine. One or two so far have had any case deformation on the rim. It's a bit easier to find locally (Can Tire had it when I went).
 
I could buy Remington, and Winchester factory ammo for 14.00/box at Canadian tire. (20+ years ago). Sometimes the Remington's ball would get pushed back into the brass while being cycled.

Not sure it applies to today's offerings.

Doing the gas-block mod would alleviate the "violent cycling" issue (and the brass flinging too). Later Hakims, and Rashids (Ljungman siblings) had adjustable gas incorporated.
 
collector67 said:
I have heard that lightly oiling each cartridge case will reduce the wear and tear from being ejected from the AG42B. Any truth to this?
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DO NOT EVER LUBE the caridges ...... NEVER NEVER NEVER !!!! ( this is all firearms not just the ag42 )

the rounds need to be clean and dry NO LUBE .

the person who told you to lube the rounds is a complete idiot and should be ignored .


what happens when you lube the rounds , the brass doesn't grab the walls of the chamber properly , creating an enormous amount of back thrust against the bolt .

it may hold for a couple rounds , but eventually it will let go .


replace the set screw in the gas block with a allen head bolt and a lock nut underneath . this will give a way to control how much pressure reaches the action to cycle it .
 
@Burnt Servo:

Thanks for posting that!!!!!

I d*mned near had a heart attack when I saw that!

HATCHER has a section in his famous HATCHER'S NOTEBOOK on this. Required for the Pederson, utterly idiotic in anything else. When a Lee-Enfield was built, it was fired first with the Proof round and then, if everything was okay, with a single oiled Ball round; this was to set (actually crush) the locking lugs in their proper place in the receiver and to mate (actually mash together) the parts for symmetric lockup. The rifle was expected to withstand this ONE round of oiled ammo but that was ALL: it actually put far more thrust onto the locking lugs than did the Proof round.

Again, thanks for jumping on this so quickly.
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The swedish army manual for the AG42 says to lube the rounds. I take this direct from an english translation.

"Lube the magazine with # 042 lubricant. Cartridges and action should be lubed when loading the rifle.
During longer firing pauses the chamber should be cleaned with the tool and lubed with # 042 lubricant."
 
did some googling and i have come across other people on other forums making reference to the swedish army manual to lube the rounds ..........

from what i can gather this is to make ammo made for the bolt action rifles cycle in the semi auto rifle ......

the short version is the bolt action ammo produced higher pressures ( 160 grain bullet , and slower burning powder ... as opposed to the 140 grain bullet and faster burning powder made for the ag42 ) .

this caused the action to cycle more violently , before the case has had a chance to release it's self from the chamber walls .
the oiling was to help prevent the rim from being ripped off .

again i will mention that taking 20 minutes to make the gas block adjustable like the hakim is the proper fix here . ( would a set by step directions on how to do this with pictures be helpful to some here ? )



below is a link to a article on cartridge pressure standards ......

if i read the one section properly oiling the 303 british round produced 25% MORE backthrust pressure on the bolt .
the 6.5x55 is a similar size and case taper , so i would expect that a oiled 6.5x55 round would produce roughly 25% more backthrust pressure on the bolt .........

http://kwk.us/pressures.html

( near the bottom of the page )

" In Britain, a third set of crusher standards were developed, using a "base" crusher. The crusher was a short, thick tube placed behind a piston at the base of the cartridge, and the firing pin passed through the center. The cartridge case was well oiled before firing, to minimize cling to the chamber walls (if not oiled, the indicated pressures were about 25% lower). To prevent case rupture on set back of the base, the crusher was first deformed in a press to a pressure a bit lower than that expected in firing. The units were generally stated in British long tons per square inch, or tsi "




btw smellie , it was one of your posts a while back , where i first heard about the 303 testing with the oiled rounds and the huge amount of backthrust it placed on the bolt . :) :) :)
 
burnt_servo said:
did some googling and i have come across other people on other forums making reference to the swedish army manual to lube the rounds ..........

from what i can gather this is to make ammo made for the bolt action rifles cycle in the semi auto rifle ......

the short version is the bolt action ammo produced higher pressures ( 160 grain bullet , and slower burning powder ... as opposed to the 140 grain bullet and faster burning powder made for the ag42 ) .

this caused the action to cycle more violently , before the case has had a chance to release it's self from the chamber walls .
the oiling was to help prevent the rim from being ripped off .

again i will mention that taking 20 minutes to make the gas block adjustable like the hakim is the proper fix here . ( would a set by step directions on how to do this with pictures be helpful to some here ? )



below is a link to a article on cartridge pressure standards ......

if i read the one section properly oiling the 303 british round produced 25% MORE backthrust pressure on the bolt .
the 6.5x55 is a similar size and case taper , so i would expect that a oiled 6.5x55 round would produce roughly 25% more backthrust pressure on the bolt .........

http://kwk.us/pressures.html

( near the bottom of the page )

" In Britain, a third set of crusher standards were developed, using a "base" crusher. The crusher was a short, thick tube placed behind a piston at the base of the cartridge, and the firing pin passed through the center. The cartridge case was well oiled before firing, to minimize cling to the chamber walls (if not oiled, the indicated pressures were about 25% lower). To prevent case rupture on set back of the base, the crusher was first deformed in a press to a pressure a bit lower than that expected in firing. The units were generally stated in British long tons per square inch, or tsi "




btw smellie , it was one of your posts a while back , where i first heard about the 303 testing with the oiled rounds and the huge amount of backthrust it placed on the bolt . :) :) :)
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I would love to have step by step instructions and pictures please :)
 
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