Age of youngest 12-6 licence holder?

wayupnorth said:
just dug out my Restricted Weapon Registration Certificate and it was issued March 1997
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I'm going to make your day worse. The "in between time" I referred to earlier was the time your bought yours (I did too). Anyone who did not comply before the drop dead date (i.e. turned in their gun or put on a longer barrel) got grandfathered anyway. This is what happened to me. I had a 6 inch barrel put on a revolver two days before the drop dead date and screwed myself out of 12.6 status.
 
I would destroy or at least deactivate any prohibs I had before I died or what ever before I would hand them over to the government .
 
toxic said:
I'm going to make your day worse. The "in between time" I referred to earlier was the time your bought yours (I did too). Anyone who did not comply before the drop dead date (i.e. turned in their gun or put on a longer barrel) got grandfathered anyway. This is what happened to me. I had a 6 inch barrel put on a revolver two days before the drop dead date and screwed myself out of 12.6 status.
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ill make your day even worse.... worse?
years later i called the Alberta CFO while i was waiting for a transfer to go through and i was chatting to the super nice lady there in the office and she was looking up my transfer for me.
i was mentioning that it was strange that my dad and myself had both been out shopping and both purchased a new pistol and he got his transfer right away and i had to wait several days for mine, which i felt was strange.
you could tell she was scrolling through my file and she said, "oh, well this would be why - it seems that you had a prohibited pistol for a while but did not get grandfathered in, so what has happened was your name got a flag on it".
i was shocked!
i was flagged because they sent me a letter asking me to turn it in and i did.
and i was still flagged for doing what they asked me to do!
so if i was flagged.... that would say to me that anyone else who missed the cut off is flagged, enjoy that little bit of knowledge.

gotta love the government.
 
machman said:
And some day he'll end up with all the remaining legally ownedtoys, if he lives long enough.
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Lets not pretend that compliance with the 12.6 prohibition of half the handguns in the country was complied with to any greater extent than the Long gun registry was.

IN 2006 the liberal auditor general conducted a review of the Canadian Firearms Program and found that between 400,000 and 600,000 previously restricted now prohibited firearms that were registered under the old RWRS system had NOT been re-registered under the firearms act. That was out of an estimated 1.2 million restricted firearms registered at the time in 1995. So roughly half of all registered firearms went dark when the registry came online in 1998 and the CFP had done exactly nothing to try to recover them. They are still out there. So when the last legal 12.6 owner dies, the only thing that will have ended is LEGAL possession of 12.6 handguns. The guns themselves are still very much out there in numbers that would make most gun grabbers have a coronary.

Just goes to show you that while the liberals will talk a good game about banning this or that, they will never commit the resources or energy to actually recovering anything.
 
wayupnorth said:
i cant remember what happened back back right before the law came in i was at the gun club and someone mentioned that they where gonna be stopping us from getting the small pistols but it hadnt come in yet.
so a bunch of us went down and purchased these small little pistols to get ourselves into the grandfathered class.
i was in my early 20's so i thought it would be worthwhile to have that access.
purchased the pistol and got the white and green certificate all was good.
was a long while later i received a letter from the RCMP that i had missed the cut off date by a bit so i had to come turn in my pistol.
i cant recall the timeline but i seemed to recall it was a good while between when i purchased and got my certificate and them requesting i turn it it.
hell, i remember i moved from the city back out to the country and had my place of residence changed.
a year maybe?

it always ticked me off when i think they just picked some random date and i missed it by a couple days or i would have my 12-6.
kinda miss that little 32auto as well, was cute.

just dug out my Restricted Weapon Registration Certificate and it was issued March 1997.
also just found the paperwork informing me i had to turn in my pistol, dated November 2005.
so for 8 years i had that pistol before they decided to slap down some random cut off date and i didnt make the cut.
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I had mine for around 10 years..registered to me..
took my case to court..lost.
so here it is now.

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wayupnorth said:
i cant remember what happened back back right before the law came in i was at the gun club and someone mentioned that they where gonna be stopping us from getting the small pistols but it hadnt come in yet.
so a bunch of us went down and purchased these small little pistols to get ourselves into the grandfathered class.
i was in my early 20's so i thought it would be worthwhile to have that access.
purchased the pistol and got the white and green certificate all was good.
was a long while later i received a letter from the RCMP that i had missed the cut off date by a bit so i had to come turn in my pistol.
i cant recall the timeline but i seemed to recall it was a good while between when i purchased and got my certificate and them requesting i turn it it.
hell, i remember i moved from the city back out to the country and had my place of residence changed.
a year maybe?

it always ticked me off when i think they just picked some random date and i missed it by a couple days or i would have my 12-6.
kinda miss that little 32auto as well, was cute.

just dug out my Restricted Weapon Registration Certificate and it was issued March 1997.
also just found the paperwork informing me i had to turn in my pistol, dated November 2005.
so for 8 years i had that pistol before they decided to slap down some random cut off date and i didnt make the cut.
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They did not pick a random date. They picked the date that they thought was near royal assent for C68 in 1995. The firearms act however didn't come into force until 1998. Therefore there was a three year window where these firearms were legal to acquire under the old rules but would not be eligible for grandfathered ownership under the new rules. This was known to anyone who was paying attention to the law at the time. The NFA was screaming from the mountain tops that anyone buying a handgun in that period was in for a rough go at the same time they were lobbying the government to amend the eligibility dates. There were tens of thousands of people in this boat and it seems like you were one of them.

Whats really going to burn your goat is that after hundreds of thousands of people did not surrender their pistols, a few of which who challenged the law in court, the government later passed legislation that amended the cut off date to be December 1st 1998, and as long as your gun was registered prior to the coming into force of the firearms act in 1998, those individuals who purchased between 95 and 98 were eligible for grandfathered ownership under a 12.6.1 license. So you didn't miss the cut off date at all. You simply possessed the firearm illegally for 8 years without a valid registration certificate under the new act. Seems like the last two years of that ownership you would have been eligible to register it under amended grandfathered eligibility date. The irony is that by the time the RCMP sent you the seizure notice in 2005, the law had changed and you would have been eligible to register it.

For those who complied right away and surrendered their pistols before the cut off date was extended, they lost the chance for grandfathered ownership and their pistols forever. For those like YOU who did nothing and waited, and then believed the RCMP when they sent you a seizure notice, you missed an opportunity to register a firearm that you were now eligible to register and own. Unfortunately many people were cowed by the RCMP and simply surrendered their pistols for destruction. For those that never bothered to comply at all, and there are roughly 400,000 of them, virtually all of them still have their pistols.
 
Sockeye said:
Delayed confiscation with out compensation - is how we know we live in an elected dictatorship.
Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms grants no right to own property.
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26. The guarantee in this Charter of certain rights and freedoms shall not be
construed as denying the existence of any other rights or freedoms that exist
in Canada.

Not being stated in the Charter does not mean it does'nt exist.
 
Sockeye said:
Delayed confiscation with out compensation - is how we know we live in an elected dictatorship.
Our Charter of Rights and Freedoms grants no right to own property.
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Correct. And since money is property, had they put property rights in the Charter, the government would have quickly ceased to function.

1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.
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In determining in what can be demonstrably justified as an infringement of a right, the Supreme Court developed the Oakes test, which in short states that infringements of our rights must be carefully designed to achieve a valid purpose, must infringe the right as little as possible, and the EFFECTS of the infringement must be proportional to the objective.

Taken together, this basically means that every time government taxed a dollar from anyone, for any reason, they would be liable to a supreme court charter challenge and would have to be able to account for it, and be able to demonstrate that it wasn't pissed away on stupid idea or scandal.

Given that some people are paying marginal tax rates north of 40%, no one would call that a minimal impairment. The carefully designed purpose of income tax was to pay for the last world war, and currently has no stated purpose other than the general coffers of government, which fails to meet the carefully designed for a valid purpose portion of the test.

With property rights in the charter, it becomes very difficult for government to tax anyone for anything. Even the most libertarian government is still a government that needs tax revenue to function, and as such no government will ever put property rights in the charter.
 
Cameron SS said:
I'm curious to know the dates surrounding your court case.
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I don't know if I can find any documentation with that date on it. I will post it if I do.
It was before Dave Tomlinson passed away because I exchanged e-mails with him in regards to my situation.
 
I’m 50 and use to feel special pulling out my prohibs to shoot and show off.
Now I feel like a turd because it’s not right that I have them and others can’t. It’s not fair and these once
Collectible and valuable pistols are not good investments anymore and there will come a time when I will try and sell or convert mine over to restricted if possible. Who knows though by then maybe all pistols will be prohibited and it won’t much matter
 
I went to BCIT with the youngest 12-6 holder in the country, her father initiated a transfer on her birthday the day before the law went into effect. She showed me her licence when we were at BCIT as well as the letter that her dad had from the CFO on her being the youngest. I do not remember her birth date or anything though, her name is Rebecca though.
 
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