So has anyone tried the AIA M10 B2 for precision shoots of any sort? I'm temped by one as I really like Enfields but I would want it to shoot well enough to compete at shoots like the BCRA Precision team matches and stuff like that.
Aia M10 B2?
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I'm just curious what the rumour mill says they're refurbed from. I've got a M10 No4 Mk4 and I can guarantee it is a brand new production action and unlike any LE ever made.
The only think LE about it is the rear locking bolt. It has a plunger type ejector and a Savage style barrel nut system. The action is considerable heavier than an original LE.
The only think LE about it is the rear locking bolt. It has a plunger type ejector and a Savage style barrel nut system. The action is considerable heavier than an original LE.
lol. refurbed? maybe other cals. No idea, but I have to say the 308 one that I have does not look like any previous product that I am aware of.
Andrew. My offer stands if you want to try one.
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Andrew. My offer stands if you want to try one.
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Just sold mine a month ago. They are good shooters... just a little finnicky. At the range out of the box my first 5 rounds with Port surplus at 50m was a ragged one hole group . However, using 168gr Fed Match it was about .25" at 50m. Well since I was on paper I moved to the 100m range.
At 100m the match ammo was terrible. I'd get a nice three shot .30" group but then my next two would be 1.5" out... in opposite directions. I'd clean her and go again. Now it'd be grouping 3" from original point of impact, so I adjust the scope and all is well. Next strig same thing. Well realized the mount and rings were loose so, next string all is well, right... nope. First group was .5" the next a 2.5" group high and to the right 4". Rings and mount ok.
Fired about four more strings without cleaning (out of frustration) and the groups got tight again. So cleaned her and fired again... same story. Strarted to realize the rifle was shooting better when hot.
Well, thought "f^%k it" I'll try and sort it out latter. Went back to the Port stuff. The best group .4" worst 1.2" no stringers or flyers.
Conclusion: I still think the rifle is great. I must assume it does not like 168gr but perfers 147gr. So i guess I'll have to start loading 155 match.
On a side note: The rifle has a nasty recoil for a .308. Nothing I can't handle but I think a recoil pad may be in order. Don't laugh, compared to all my other .308's, she had a stiff kick.
At 100m the match ammo was terrible. I'd get a nice three shot .30" group but then my next two would be 1.5" out... in opposite directions. I'd clean her and go again. Now it'd be grouping 3" from original point of impact, so I adjust the scope and all is well. Next strig same thing. Well realized the mount and rings were loose so, next string all is well, right... nope. First group was .5" the next a 2.5" group high and to the right 4". Rings and mount ok.
Fired about four more strings without cleaning (out of frustration) and the groups got tight again. So cleaned her and fired again... same story. Strarted to realize the rifle was shooting better when hot.
Well, thought "f^%k it" I'll try and sort it out latter. Went back to the Port stuff. The best group .4" worst 1.2" no stringers or flyers.
Conclusion: I still think the rifle is great. I must assume it does not like 168gr but perfers 147gr. So i guess I'll have to start loading 155 match.
On a side note: The rifle has a nasty recoil for a .308. Nothing I can't handle but I think a recoil pad may be in order. Don't laugh, compared to all my other .308's, she had a stiff kick.
I've found mine shoots better once it get a bit fouled. Cleaning it too often is counter-productive in the accuracy dept.
Mine likes the cheap Rem-UMC FMJ. 3/4" at 100m and it's not the match rifle, just the No4 look-a-like.
Mine likes the cheap Rem-UMC FMJ. 3/4" at 100m and it's not the match rifle, just the No4 look-a-like.
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I have never shot one, but have heard on another forum that these rifles are built in Viet Nam and quality may be an issue??????? anyone have any knowledge on this? I understand you cannot get a straight answer from the AIA people as to the source of the rifles. I have not delved into it as it is not a rifle that appealed to my shooting interest, just thought it may be relevant to those that shoot it. Im not sure that I have the facts right here so feel free to correct my rumour mill post.
LRC,
As far as can be sorted out, they're either manuf. in Viet Nam and assembled in Aus., or completely finished in Viet Nam.
Honestly, I can't see any quality issues with my rifle. It's one of the finest I've seen for fit and finish. Marstar has spare parts available now as well.
As far as can be sorted out, they're either manuf. in Viet Nam and assembled in Aus., or completely finished in Viet Nam.
Honestly, I can't see any quality issues with my rifle. It's one of the finest I've seen for fit and finish. Marstar has spare parts available now as well.
My gut says that is optimistic, but who knows, I have not tried it yet. I simply have not seen anything made from an Enfield action do what you are mentioning. While I am new to the gun, and only tried surplus so far, I have seen some groups of 5 that are really tight at 100m, but getting the same further out there, or on a regular basis may be a bit of a stretch.
For me, it is a very fun rifle to shoot off hand, and from seated with irons, and without having to use it at a restricted range. Anything after that is cake. It may surprise me though.
I have a bunch of loads that I will try this weekend, and let you know.
For me, it is a very fun rifle to shoot off hand, and from seated with irons, and without having to use it at a restricted range. Anything after that is cake. It may surprise me though.
I have a bunch of loads that I will try this weekend, and let you know.
What the hell.... I took the plunge:
Good stuff:
First thing I did was strip it right apart with the exeption of the butt stock. It is very well put together and the barrel is full floated as advertised. The receiver almost looks like it could be converted back to 303 because the mag well block is held inplace with pins. The bolt is very nearly identical to a #4mk1 and a little tip of those that would like to make a 7.62x51 or other similar rimless round.... the M10 bolt head fits the standard enfield bolt body and should only need very minnor work to make it work in a custom #4.
Down side:
I will have to butcher the rear sight for it to fit with the scope and though the old ladder sight will fit the rifle it will not with the scope mount in place.
Also the scope is too high so I will have to get the check rest add on or something similar.
Will try and get to the range soon
Good stuff:
First thing I did was strip it right apart with the exeption of the butt stock. It is very well put together and the barrel is full floated as advertised. The receiver almost looks like it could be converted back to 303 because the mag well block is held inplace with pins. The bolt is very nearly identical to a #4mk1 and a little tip of those that would like to make a 7.62x51 or other similar rimless round.... the M10 bolt head fits the standard enfield bolt body and should only need very minnor work to make it work in a custom #4.
Down side:
I will have to butcher the rear sight for it to fit with the scope and though the old ladder sight will fit the rifle it will not with the scope mount in place.
Also the scope is too high so I will have to get the check rest add on or something similar.
Will try and get to the range soon
Had the AIA M10 B2 out at the range today. The trigger needs work but this rifle not bad. I did a quick sight in with some surplus 7.62x51, groups where not great but not bad... around 2". Then I shot a several 5rd grounps with some old handloads that I had kicking around from another rifle. The load was 175gr SMK with 45gr of Varget and CCI400 primers in Hertenburger (spelling?) brass. Groups averaged 1". A few times the first three shots where in the 0.5" range but the next two would pull the group out to the 1" to 1.25" range.
Forty4Forty
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Not refurbs at all, wood from Vietnam and some metal work as could not be made economically in Australia, main parts Australian. Old Enfield receiver was not strong enough for .308, this one is much stronger. If you do a search there was a lot of discussion on GN this a while back. As to over priced, look at the price on any quality rifle, and as many say one could not make many of the military surplus rifles to day at an affordable price.
HeadDamage: Bummer. Any gut feel for the need to bed the action, or how it would take in the teak? I'm thinking maybe a 3 post might be required...? I'm leery about not bedding it, given the environmentals encountered up at Vokes....
Forty4Forty: +2 on that- looks like a lot of good kit, right out of the box. To bad HD didn't get her back farther..
Forty4Forty: +2 on that- looks like a lot of good kit, right out of the box. To bad HD didn't get her back farther..
HeadDamage: Bummer. Any gut feel for the need to bed the action, or how it would take in the teak? I'm thinking maybe a 3 post might be required...? I'm leery about not bedding it, given the environmentals encountered up at Vokes....
Forty4Forty: +2 on that- looks like a lot of good kit, right out of the box. To bad HD didn't get her back farther..
They are a very solid well made piece. I traded this one to Head Damage due to another acquisition I made. I also know the CGNTZ member that got it from him.
