AIA mags in M14?

Read the RCMP statement. The fact that the 10 round AIA magazine might or might not function properly in other rifles is not an issue. This is in keeping with the principal that if a 10 round pistol magazine works in a rifle it is still a pistol magazine, and such use is legal.
Was the AIA originally designed to use M-14 magazines? Maybe? Possibly? Probably? The magazines that accompany the rifles into Canada may have been specifically produced to allow importation into Canada.
Has anyone tried a commercial 5/20 M-14 magazine in an AIA rifle?
 
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murat said:
OK, I have both M-14 and AIA M10, M-14 mags will work in AIA M10 but not the other way around if you put AIA 10 round mag in M-14 it will not hold in it lacks the little squer hole in the front. You can put it in but if you try to chamber the mag is pushed down each time bolt moves and cartriges are jamming.
On the other hand M-14 mags with exeption of short 5 work super in AIA M10
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That being the case, there would be a market for 10 and 20 round AIA magazines.

Now, would a 20 round aftermarket AIA compatible magazine be readily exportable from the US?
 
tiriaq said:
That being the case, there would be a market for 10 and 20 round AIA magazines.

Now, would a 20 round aftermarket AIA compatible magazine be readily exportable from the US?
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Not AIA compatible... any M14 magazine is AIA compatible. What you need is a purpose built... designed and manufactured... AIA Bolt Rifle magazine. Anything less is simply an M14 rifle magazine limited to 5 round capacity.

Having said that... I do not believe that there is any reason that someone couldn't source the purpose built AIA magazines (which have been reviewed and approved as AIA Bolt Rilfe magazines not restricted to capacity limit) and once those are here modify them by adding the cutout to the top front.

It is my understanding from previous "rulings" and "cases" that such modification does NOT consitutute manufacture and does NOT change the legal status of the magazine's capacity allowance regardless of the firearm that it is subsequently used in.

Again... this is just my opinion... but based on previous cases/decisions made by the RCMP and CFC.

Mark
 
By AIA compatible I meant a magazine that would fit an AIA - not necessarily a magazine made or distributed by AIA. Aftermarket, generic.
The suggestion that cutting the little square hole in the upper front edge of an AIA magazine (so that it would duplicate a M-14 magazine) would not constitute manufacture of a prohibited device is interesting.
In the absence of a specific ruling, I would be a bit hesitant.....
 
tiriaq said:
By AIA compatible I meant a magazine that would fit an AIA - not necessarily a magazine made or distributed by AIA. Aftermarket, generic.
The suggestion that cutting the little square hole in the upper front edge of an AIA magazine (so that it would duplicate a M-14 magazine) would not constitute manufacture of a prohibited device is interesting.
In the absence of a specific ruling, I would be a bit hesitant.....
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That's no my interpretation, that's the RCMP's interpretation. For the past 3 years they have consitently stated that once a magazine is "created" it's "type" is set in stone... so according to them once a company has manufactured a 30 round AR rifle magazine that magazine will always be considered (by RCMP) to be a "rifle" magazine and nothing we can do to the magazine can change that... we can't modify it or change it to become a handgun magazine because only that original design and manufacture count in the consideration of how that magazine is classified. That is their position and they have stuck by that on a variety of different rulings.

It doesn't just apply to rifle vs. handgun magazines. They also interpret this in relation to "Prohibited Devices" as it applies to high capacity magazines. A 15 round pistol magazine that was part of an LE purchase (for example) is classified as a "Prohibited Device" because it was over the legal 10 round limit allowed for civilians. Back when police departments could trade in their firearms and dealers could sell those trade-ins to the public, the RCMP ruled that the magazines could NOT be modified and sold since they would always be classified as prohibited devices even if they were modified to only hold 10 rounds. They applied that same interpretation of manufacture and modification.

Which is even stranger when you consider this... the magazine doesn't actually become a prohibited device until it physically arrives in Canada... until that point it is technically unclassified and until it's actually classified the RCMP allow the device to be modified with respect to capcity but NOT with respect to it's classification of type. What that means is that the item becomes classified as a handgun or rifle or bolt rifle magazine at the point when it is created... but it's capacity and status as a Prohibited Device or not does not take place until it arrives at our borders... but if it is deemed to be a prohibited device based on magazine capacity then that status of prohibited device is unchangeable... except to make it deactive and forever unusable in which case it ceases to be a magazine and thus ceases to be a prohibited device.

So... based on all of that... if you take a manufactured AIA bolt rifle magazine and now you modify it... according to all previous RCMP rulings that magazine is still classified as a bolt action rifle magazine.

They would be hard pressed to try to argue anything different.

But you have to start with a magazine that is already built and that is unquestionably an AIA bolt rifle magazine... from then on you're on very firm grounds.

Mark
 
Thanks for the explanation.

Looks as if there is a real business opportunity, then.
Arrange for the manufacture of 20 round AIA magazines. Mark them as such.
Once they are in the country, as bolt action rifle magazines, punch the little hole.
The many M-14 owners would suck them up. Could likely sell thousands of them.
AIA owners would also buy a few.

Wonder if this would be the straw that broke the camel's back.....
 
I've always understood that any mod to a mag to make compatible to another gun automatically constitutes the manufacture of a prohib device. Ill look around and see what I can find.
 
Irrespective, it is well known that unmodified AIA mags without the cutout fit and function in a majority of M14 rifles that have NM opr rod spring guides fitted.

I'd buy at least a half-dozen mags in either 10 or 20 round capacity of they were ever brought in - I am certain I am not alone in this.
 
I guess a question to ask is, would aftermarket mags made identically to the AIA mag be an AIA mag? Or would the RCMP want to re-examine their ruling and say they are M14 mags?

I suspect if they are made, imported, and sold as mags specifically for the AIA rifle and imported without front notches, they would be OK.

I'm sure the chinese could crank theyse out dirt-cheap in no time at all considering they already make similar M14 mags in 5, 10 and 20 round versions. Just make the 10 round version without the notch and a slightly different catch - good to go!
 
why doesnt DLASK or whomever other company that can build custom rifles, make a halfassed bolt action rifle, as long as it goes bang, who cares what it looks like, and make it so that the mags that are specifically designed for this said bolt action, also happens to fit inside an AR....

cough, legal 30rd mags in our AR's :)

....and then make another version of the rifle in which the mags also fit HK/Sig/CZ whatever rifles. :)
 
DeRK said:
why doesnt DLASK or whomever other company that can build custom rifles, make a halfassed bolt action rifle, as long as it goes bang, who cares what it looks like, and make it so that the mags that are specifically designed for this said bolt action, also happens to fit inside an AR....

cough, legal 30rd mags in our AR's :)

....and then make another version of the rifle in which the mags also fit HK/Sig/CZ whatever rifles. :)
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What a great idea:D
 
DeRK said:
why doesnt DLASK or whomever other company that can build custom rifles, make a halfassed bolt action rifle, as long as it goes bang, who cares what it looks like, and make it so that the mags that are specifically designed for this said bolt action, also happens to fit inside an AR....

cough, legal 30rd mags in our AR's :)

....and then make another version of the rifle in which the mags also fit HK/Sig/CZ whatever rifles. :)
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Dude, are you serious?

DLASK did exactly that.

Read up on the DLASK pump action AR15.

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/3000/3069.htm
 
P90Puma said:
Dude, are you serious?

DLASK did exactly that.

Read up on the DLASK pump action AR15.

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/3000/3069.htm
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you didnt get the point...

that one they did before was made to use proprietary mags that didnt fit the AR15, or use AR mags but its still limited to 5.

im talking about mags that are designed/ marked specifically for said halfassed bolt action rifle, which just so happens to fit in an AR15/CZ/PE90/SL8 etc.
 
JasonS said:
From the picture shown in post# 50 I say we just get all of our floorplates laser engraved to match and get rid of the rivets! ;)
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:rolleyes:

You don't engrave the floorplate, you engrave the magazine body...... Then the RCMP will suspect that the magazine never was made for an autoloader..... And plug the rivet hole with some bubble gum or something so it isn't noticeable.
 
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