AIA mags?

Just some more relevent info:

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/compliance-conformite/bulletins/businesses/bulletin-55_e.asp

Special Bulletin for Businesses – No. 55
January 18, 2006

Notice
The information contained in this bulletin is considered accurate the date of publication. The information has not been updated to reflect any changes to the Firearms Act and related regulations.

Beretta CX4 Storm Magazine

Snapshot

* Some Beretta CX4 Storm rifles are being manufactured with prohibited magazines.
* The classification of a firearm magazine depends on the type of firearm the magazine was designed to be used in, not the type of firearm it is actually used in.
* The new 10-cartridge magazine designed for the Beretta CX4 Storm rifle is prohibited unless it has been permanently altered so that it cannot hold more than five cartridges .
* The 10-cartridge pistol magazine used on many Beretta CX4 Storm rifles is still legal, regardless of the type of firearm it is attached to.

We have recently learned that some Beretta CX4 Storm rifles are being manufactured with magazines that are prohibited in Canada.

As set out in Criminal Code Regulations, the classification of a magazine depends on the type of firearm a magazine was designed to be used in, not the type of firearm it is actually used in.

When the Beretta CX4 Storm rifle was first produced, it used a 10-cartridge magazine that was designed for a handgun. Most magazines designed for a handgun may legally hold up to 10 cartridges, even when used in a rifle.

Beretta is now producing a 10-cartridge magazine designed specifically for the CX4 Storm rifle. The law sets a maximum capacity of five cartridges for magazines designed for a semi-automatic, centre-fire long gun such as the Beretta CX4 Storm rifle. A 10-cartridge magazine with a CX4 Storm stamp on it is prohibited unless it has been permanently altered so that it cannot hold more than five cartridges.

If your business has any CX4 Storm rifles in its inventory, please check the magazine to see which version you have. A CX4 Storm stamp on the magazine indicates it is a prohibited device. Please note that the presence of a prohibited magazine does not affect the classification of the firearm itself. The Beretta CX4 Storm rifle remains classified as a restricted firearm.

However, the business cannot sell a Beretta CX4 Storm rifle at retail with a prohibited magazine in it, unless the magazine has been permanently altered to hold a maximum of five cartridges. Your business may possess a prohibited magazine only if it is licensed to possess prohibited devices for an approved purpose indicated on the licence.

If your business does not have the required licence privileges, you must either dispose of any prohibited magazines in the business inventory or permanently alter the magazines to hold a maximum of five cartridges. If you choose to dispose of a prohibited magazine, you may be able to replace it with one that is not prohibited – for example, a handgun magazine used on earlier versions of the rifle.

Criminal Code Regulations set out the following options for altering a prohibited magazine to make it legal:

1. The casing can be indented by forging, casting, swaging or impressing; or
2. If the cartridge has a steel or aluminum casing, a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of the same (or similar) material as the casing, can be inserted and permanently attached to the inner surface of the casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or
3. If the cartridge is made of a material other than steel or aluminum, in addition to the options mentioned above, a permanent adhesive substance such as cement or epoxy glue can also be used to attach an insert. In this case, the insert would have to be made of steel or a material similar to that of the magazine casing.

Options for disposing of a prohibited magazine include transferring it to a properly licensed business (perhaps in exchange for one that is legal), exporting it to a country that allows it, or turning it in to a police or firearms officer.

An export permit may be required from International Trade Canada if the magazine is being exported to a country other than the United States. More information and application forms for an export permit are available from the Export Controls Division of International Trade Canada at 1 800 267-8376 or (613) 996-2387 or from their Website.

If your business has ordered but not yet received an affected rifle, please note that we have notified Canada Border Services Agency that these rifles cannot lawfully be imported if they have a magazine with the CX4 Storm stamp on it, unless the magazine has been altered so that it cannot hold more than five cartridges.

We have also notified the manufacturer and distributors that the 10-cartridge rifle magazine is prohibited but that the 10-cartridge handgun magazine is not prohibited.
More Information

For general information, contact us at:

1 800 731-4000 (Toll Free)
E-mail: cfc-cafc@cfc-cafc.gc.ca

This bulletin is intended to provide general information only. For legal references, please refer to the regulations pertaining to prohibited magazines.

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As set out in Criminal Code Regulations, the classification of a magazine depends on the type of firearm a magazine was designed to be used in, not the type of firearm it is actually used in......Most magazines designed for a handgun may legally hold up to 10 cartridges, even when used in a rifle.
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Game, set, match....:)
 
I just contacted ATRS yesterday they said no go on them bringing in more of these mags. Marstar or wolverine are our only hope i guess for now.
 
Wolverine told me that they won't be importing any more products from AIA so you can scratch that off the list.
 
Its not game set match unless the magazines are unmodified.

I'm not disputing the LAR-15 or Berreta/storm mags. Those work UNMODIFIED.

I've heard from several sources that the AIA mags require modification. My position is that magazines for an AIA that are MODIFIED to be capable of use in an M-14 could be legally interpreted as no longer AIA magazines, but prohibited devices, since the modification was done for the purposes of use in an M-14.

Therefore, modify the magazines at your own risk. Its not a risk I would take.
 
Paul Morrison said:
My position is that magazines for an AIA that are MODIFIED to be capable of use in an M-14 could be legally interpreted as no longer AIA magazines, but prohibited devices, since the modification was done for the purposes of use in an M-14.

Therefore, modify the magazines at your own risk. Its not a risk I would take.
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Big x2! Do not modify AIA to fit your M14's! :kickInTheNuts: You might as well unpin your M14 mags! :rolleyes:

Lot's of contradictory information. Some say they work fine unmodified, others say the don't work unmodified...
 
I personally would not modify one either. However, you can modify the gun... and I still think they work just fine unmodified anyways.
 
Paul Morrison said:
Its not game set match unless the magazines are unmodified.

I'm not disputing the LAR-15 or Berreta/storm mags. Those work UNMODIFIED.

I've heard from several sources that the AIA mags require modification.
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You are wrong, you misheard, your sources made it up, you made it up, whoever told your sources lied or made it up, they do fire without modification.
Now go try it yourself and stop posting third hand misinformation, I and many others have fired rounds through an M305 from the AIA mags unmodified, both the mag and the rifle.

Though upon reflection it is possible the manufacturer modified the mags once they caught wind of this (why?they are making more money off us?), or a later production of norincos had an unrelated modifaction/change from older ones that made them unable to fire roiunds from the AIA mag, but this is unlikely.
 
Stevo said:
Where does it say you can't modify them?
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No one, in fact I think that the law as written allows it. But, I strongly suspect you would be charged with posession of a prohib device if you were found with a 10 round AIA mag with a hole drilled, or with a 10 round M14 mag with the hole welded over. You'd then get to defend yourself in front of a likely liberal bleeding heart judge that privately thinks that no one should own a gun.

I think it's total BS that the CFC stated that you can't make a 10/30 AR15 pistol mag... especially when a 10/33 glock mag is just fine.
 
You are wrong, you misheard, your sources made it up, you made it up, whoever told your sources lied or made it up, they do fire without modification.
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My source works for Marstar.

I discussed it with them last weekend at the EESA Military shoot, at the marstar booth.

If yours mysteriously works unmodified, more power to you, but people should know that modifying them to work is likely illegal.
 
I talked to Chris about this.

My take is very simple:

The mags might work without modification on some rifles. For those lucky enough, you're golden. However, if they DO NOT work on your rifle, my recommendation is to NOT modify it, lest you risk your liberty.
 
Paul Morrison said:
My source works for Marstar.

I discussed it with them last weekend at the EESA Military shoot, at the marstar booth.

If yours mysteriously works unmodified, more power to you, but people should know that modifying them to work is likely illegal.
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He may simply be covering up for the statement on the Marstar website, which claims that it will not work in any other gun. I highly doubt there is only a few guns it "mysteriously" works in, the problem is a lot of people are keeping mum about it. I sold my AIA since so I don't care, but keeping quiet is probably a good idea at this stage.
 
The primary difference between an AIA magazine, and one for an M-14 is that the M-14 version has a square hole punched in the top front, which engages the foreward magazine detent.
The AIA does not have this hole.
This is the obvious distinguishing characteristic. Add a hole to the AIA magazine, and you have manufactrued a M-14 magazine. If it holds over 5 rds, you have manufactured a prohibited device.
If your M-14 accepts and functions with an unaltered AIA magazine, it is still an AIA magazine.
 
tiriaq said:
The primary difference between an AIA magazine, and one for an M-14 is that the M-14 version has a square hole punched in the top front, which engages the foreward magazine detent.
The AIA does not have this hole.
This is the obvious distinguishing characteristic. Add a hole to the AIA magazine, and you have manufactrued a M-14 magazine. If it holds over 5 rds, you have manufactured a prohibited device.
If your M-14 accepts and functions with an unaltered AIA magazine, it is still an AIA magazine.
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x2.

This is the best post here. An AIA magazine is not an M14 magazine.
 
As an aside, compare the very helpful and professional tone of the CFC alert in 2006 posted above regarding the CX4 mags with the tone and direction of the new RCMP handled agency that seems to be working to ban guns....

:rolleyes:
 
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