AIA No.4 Mk 4 as my first rifle? I have concerns...

Mustang979,

The cheekweld is more of a chin weld at the moment but it is still workable. I am going to look at getting a leather lace on one that will look good and not have to be drilled into the rifle. Seeing that I am a jsut across the river from Aylmer, I'm going to have to get a hold of the Joe Laroche.

For the numrich site, I was pulling my hair out until I figured out the new format, so here is the fruits of my struggle for you guys now, and you'll groan when you figure it out:

on the left there are pull down menus,

-first step is to select manufacturers in the top pull down
-second step, scroll down to SMLE and select it
-step 3, select the model,
-select parts list or accessories, then click on go.

Personally, I think this system sucks balls, but everything is there and at least it has pictures of the part right next to the description.

Hope that helps you guys!
 
Aric, thanks again for the info. I gotta say, Numrichs website design is pretty bad IMO. that said I think I tracked down Joe Larouche's website. The more I think about it, the more I think you are on the right track. A nice leather lace one one in a color even semi close to that of the wood would be best.

I kicked around what I believe to be Joe's website, and I have to say, similar onees he has made are real beaut's
http://larocheleathers.com/gallery/albums/JAN2010/DSC01902.JPG
http://larocheleathers.com/gallery/albums/leather2/100_1662.JPG
http://larocheleathers.com/gallery/albums/leather2/100_1661.JPG

Assuming everything goes as planned, I should have my AIA on order come monday, maybe we can get a group discount for buying 2 (one each) lol.
 
mustang979 said:
Where do you see that the cheek pad is included? I don't see that (and honestly it is the part that I would want so I could scope it)
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The cheek pad was offered with the first batch that came in, not this current listing, I have the A1A M10 that was offered with one, but I never received it, even though after many inquiries and requests, sorry Marstar but this is the truth, I have no other grip with you. I eventually ordered one from Australia.

A really nice "Enfield", I would recommend.
 
Oh, I wanted to add, the rings that are shown on Marstar's site are WAY higher than what actually comes with the rifle. The rings that actually come with the NcStar scope are just the right height to clear the handguard, I'll try and get a picture up later.
 
mustang979 said:
Is it worth taking the gamble? Or should I just suck it up and get an old enfield Mk4?

Opinions appreciated...
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:cheers:

Check the Technical Articles for Milsurp Collectors and Re-loaders (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/forumdisplay.php?f=25

There are two informative but very different library entries on the AIA rifles.

AIA No. 4 Mk. 4 (Review by Stevo) (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=15

Australian AIA Rifles (Feedback and Opinion by Steve) (click here)http://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=225

Please note that the author of "Australian AIA Rifles" Steve is not the same as the member Stevo, who wrote a separate review of the "AIA No. 4 Mk. 4 rifle."

Hope these articles help you ... :)

Regards,
Badger
 
Suggestion - instead of messing around with a stopgap measure like an add-on cheekpiece, why not just use a sporting style butt with high comb and proper grip?
 
The full wood configuration No.4 Mk.4 is not available with the monte carlo stock like the target and sporter model. You might be able to order one from somewhere, but I'm not sure if it would be easy to get. Might be a good idea to try and trade with someone who wants a conventional enfield stock for their rifle.

BadgerDog, thanks for posting those articles, the first one is very good and is the reason I decided to do a review here for people who are not members of the MKL. I really do think that Steve(of 303british .com) is being quite unfair in his comments. Many of his concerns about manufacturing are based on internet hear-say that I have never seen any real sources for.

Many of the rumours about this rifle are just that, unsubstantiated and unreferenced rumours, such as:

-Made in vietnam: This has never been confirmed or denied by anyone credible, and no one knows where the accusation came from. We buy guns from all manner of countries so really, what is the problem. I'm sure many milsurps have not come from countries with saintly histories.

-There are no more coming in to the country: Probably False. I remember Johnone saying that these are still going to be coming in somehwere here on CGN, and the only ones that were discontinued are the ones with the minigun barrels. I would ASSUME that there is enough domestic demand in AUS to keep the company fat and happy for now without importing, but that is MY GUESS only.


There are others that I cannot remember right now, but we should try and annihilate them right here to get the truth out there. Sorry for the rant guys:redface:. I'm a not BS kind of guy and only try and open my mouth when I know waht I am talking about and can back it up with proof, so these rumours bug me.

Long story short, Buy one! Heck, if you are ever in Ottawa you can fondle and shoot mine. You'll be sold on it right there.

Cheers,
Aric
 
aric84 said:
...Many of the rumours about this rifle are just that, unsubstantiated and unreferenced rumours, such as:

-Made in vietnam: This has never been confirmed or denied by anyone credible, and no one knows where the accusation came from. We buy guns from all manner of countries so really, what is the problem. I'm sure many milsurps have not come from countries with saintly histories.....
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If you go to the AIA website, the international outsourcing of the parts is discusssed. Outsourcing is common in many or most industries. AIA does not indicate which parts are made where, for example the sources of major components like the barrel and receiver are not mentionned. Outsourcing implies neither superior not inferior quality. Quality is determined by the quality control process. Is your rifle marked "Made in Australia"? To be so marked, over 50% of the cost of production must occur in Australia. Origin is really a non-issue.

Is there any reason why a sporting butt not of AIA could not be fitted to an AIA rifle? A properly shaped butt really enhances the shooting properties of any rifle.
 
tiriaq said:
If you go to the AIA website, the international outsourcing of the parts is discusssed. Outsourcing is common in many or most industries. AIA does not indicate which parts are made where, for example the sources of major components like the barrel and receiver are not mentionned. Outsourcing implies neither superior not inferior quality. Quality is determined by the quality control process. Is your rifle marked "Made in Australia"? To be so marked, over 50% of the cost of production must occur in Australia. Origin is really a non-issue.

Is there any reason why a sporting butt not of AIA could not be fitted to an AIA rifle? A properly shaped butt really enhances the shooting properties of any rifle.
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Agreed, but matching that teak...close to impossible IMHO. You'd be looking at a two tone rifle. :(

BTW, the B2 model came with a Monte Carlo buttstock and
the cheekrest. Hey, maybe someone will sell one they didn't use. I really don't think that cheekrest would look right perched up on top of the Monte Carlo stock.
 
aric84 said:
Many of the rumours about this rifle are just that, unsubstantiated and unreferenced rumours, such as:

-Made in vietnam: This has never been confirmed or denied by anyone credible, and no one knows where the accusation came from.
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Talk to the US Trade commission, they had a s**t when they learned were the rifles came from. My sources in Australia confirmed the Vietnam connection for outsourcing manufacture. No big deal really, but to ship without full disclosure these days is financial suicide for a company.
 
Tom, the cheek rest looks great on the M10 B2. It is functional as well. The scope bases and mount cause the scope to be very high. Without a cheek rest, it's impossible to get a cheek weld.
 
Along the same line of thinking as this thread, I've been curious about other people's experience with the th No. 4 Mk 4, especially with regards to accuracy of these rifles.

I saw another thread begun a couple days ago which showed some nice groups with one of these rifles, using the NCStar scope that comes with rifles from Marstar. I tried to use the search function to find more threads with info on the rifle's accuracy, but was unavailable.

A couple google searches later, I discovered that the rifle has gotten mixed reviews in the past, with some shooters in Australia and the UK saying that accuracy was so-so. Suggested fixes were re-crowning the barrel or replacing it outright, neither of which seemed appealing to me.

I'm pretty sure that I've seen and heard more positive reviews from CGN, but wanted to see if several other posters could confirm the accuracy of the rifles shipped to Canada. I like the look of these rifles and may be able to purchase one very shortly, but wanted to double check after reading some of the alleged problems with the accuracy of these rifles.

With Regards,

Frank
 
Mine was the one that is in the review somewhere down below. It's a regular 1MOA rifle that I can tell so far, and I have not even developped a load for it yet.

REMEMBER though: I tightened everything before shooting! The main trigger guard screw was a bit loose, enough to turn it in at least another turn. If I had shot it like this I would probably not be very impressed at all with the groups. This might have thrown off other people who are not used to checking for that sort of thing. YMMV

Aric
 
aric84 said:
Mine was the one that is in the review somewhere down below. It's a regular 1MOA rifle that I can tell so far, and I have not even developped a load for it yet.

REMEMBER though: I tightened everything before shooting! The main trigger guard screw was a bit loose, enough to turn it in at least another turn. If I had shot it like this I would probably not be very impressed at all with the groups. This might have thrown off other people who are not used to checking for that sort of thing. YMMV

Aric
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Hi Aric,

Yes, I saw your review, and was curious as to whether there were others just to reconfirm the accuracy that you got from yours (which I'd be happy with, esp from a rifle topped with an NCStar scope).
 
Beadwindow, The M10 B2 is capable of consistent accuracy better than moa with surplus IVI. With decent hand loads, it should tighten up considerably.
 
I know a little bit about lee enfields.
I encourage you not to buy one of these AIA rifles.
If you want to know why pm me.
 
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