AIA No 4 Mk 4 Reviews?

Mark Mags said:
Well, that would be great if I had a No. 5
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It's truly very similar to handing any No 4 Enfield.

It's a very beefy, strongly made Enfield clone. Chrome lined bore, you'll never wear it out, hard to go wrong.

Personally I put a stamped Long Branch Mk III sight on mine as I'm not fond of the 2 position flip sight, but most people put scopes on them.
 
cantom said:
It's truly very similar to handing any No 4 Enfield.

It's a very beefy, strongly made Enfield clone. Chrome lined bore, you'll never wear it out, hard to go wrong.

Personally I put a stamped Long Branch Mk III sight on mine as I'm not fond of the 2 position flip sight, but most people put scopes on them.
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I did the same using my No5 sight. But it would not fit with the scope mount.
 
I'll post some pictures of mine. In the mean time see the M14 mags compared tot the AIA Mag...

side x side

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Note the angle of the locking tab. M14

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AIA 7.62x51mm Mag

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That isn't the only difference, although I think what you are pointing out could be a production variance, or wear.

There is an absence of a front locking hole. It is small, and square up top in the front. Present in M14.
That is the main difference that makes it a'Riffle' Magazine.
:p
 
Pblatzz said:
I'll post some pictures of mine. In the mean time see the M14 mags compared tot the AIA Mag...

side x side

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Note the angle of the locking tab. M14

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AIA 7.62x51mm Mag

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The AIA mags fit as is in the M14, done it many times, no feed problems. Not the other way around. I wanted to use some of the 5ers in the AIA, but the lug is one mil too far down, wont latch. So I drumeled that 1 mm off the 5rounder M14 mags and now they fit the AIA. They stick out the bottom, and when the mag release is pushed they fall right out.

This allows me to have 10 rounds in the large mags, and 2 sighter rounds in the 5rnder mags.
 
There was these tests done by the Canadian government and there final word about it all.
And when i post this i still like them but i have a problem with parts supply if i may need some even though it is said alot of the NO4 MK1 MK2 parts will fit this rifle i personaly haven't had the chance to comfirm that for myself.


http://www.303british.com/id74.html
 
maxinumarmor said:
There was these tests done by the Canadian government and there final word about it all.
And when i post this i still like them but i have a problem with parts supply if i may need some even though it is said alot of the NO4 MK1 MK2 parts will fit this rifle i personaly haven't had the chance to comfirm that for myself.


http://www.303british.com/id74.html
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Would be nice to know which parts they consider cheaply made. I have no complaints with mine. I was hitting a 12inch target at 800 with mine. Mighty fine firearm.
 
I think that was just to end the idea of the Rangers getting an $800 rifle (the C7/C8 doesn't cost much more than that) - subsequently they were unable to procure ANY rifle in response to their RFP. Just like the handguns - lots of ask; ZERO offer.
 
Well giving all your information to someone else might have played a part to. Seriously buy the rights off of AIA, make some changes and you will have a $800 rifle made in Canada that would have civilian sales potential. the agreement would likely require them not to sell in certain markets so AIA could still sell.
 
maxinumarmor said:
There was these tests done by the Canadian government and there final word about it all.
And when i post this i still like them but i have a problem with parts supply if i may need some even though it is said alot of the NO4 MK1 MK2 parts will fit this rifle i personaly haven't had the chance to comfirm that for myself.


http://www.303british.com/id74.html
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Has anyone confirmed that there was test done by the CF? Was this a case of a 5 min review by a Junior rank??

Seriously, cheap parts? Does this person actually know what the heck they are talking about? The answer is no.

-The stock is hardwood, and while a bit heavy, It's pretty strong.
-Butt plate is upgraded to steel and not white metal of brass as in the originals.
-The rear sight is comparable with any Lee Enfield rear and Parker hale No 4 target sight (for pict http://rifleman.org.uk/PH_Service_sights.htm)

Front and rear stock bands are steel, hinged and as good as any lee enfield part.

Action is heavier than the lee enfield, parked. Looks great.

Bolt it almost identical to the lee enfield, bolt head redesigned and improved with sako type extractor.

Mag is a better build M14 type, better than the norinco Mags. Steel with a chrome follower.

Internal trigger parts, well, all made of steel. No plastic, looks to be similar to the lee enfield but modified.

Trigger guard, well more square to accommodate the M14 type mag but made of steel all milled components. No sheet metal parts.

Barrel, med contour chromed lined, with the Wheeler Savage barrel nut = no head space problems, too easy to adjust. 1 /12 twist same as NATO specs

I could rant but on, but I have to go. There are no cheap parts on this rifle, one would have to beat the crap out of this rifle to get it to fail. The same beating would kill an lee enfield as well.

Pete
 
I found this in my search to verify the M10 review as cheap... but found this instead

http://www.casr.ca/doc-pa-ranger-rifle.htm

"DND quickly eliminated an Enfield 'clone', AIA's M10 in .308" / 7.62mm NATO. But the existance of that M10 rifle begs the question: who currently owns the rights to the Lee Enfield rifle? Most likely, patents have expired and the answer to NCRR is as simple as Colt Canada producing a militarized version of the M10 (or modernized Indian RFI ). [2]"
 
Pblatzz said:
I found this in my search to verify the M10 review as cheap... but found this instead

http://www.casr.ca/doc-pa-ranger-rifle.htm

"DND quickly eliminated an Enfield 'clone', AIA's M10 in .308" / 7.62mm NATO. But the existance of that M10 rifle begs the question: who currently owns the rights to the Lee Enfield rifle? Most likely, patents have expired and the answer to NCRR is as simple as Colt Canada producing a militarized version of the M10 (or modernized Indian RFI ). [2]"
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Looks like the Rangers want to keep the Enfield design, just modernize it. The AIA is exactly that. Simple enough for Colt to make a synthetic stock. Colt should buy the AIA rights and make the M10 for the Rangers and civilian markets.
 
Please excuse me for my lack of knowledge but who are the Canadian Rangers? Is there talks of a Canadian company building a Lee Enfield clone in 7.62 Nato? As far as we can tell is there only the AIA rifles in new production in 7.62x51?

I know there was some Longbranches switched over to the 7.62 round by DC?? something. I am asking about new production rifles. Thanks
 
Max-4 said:
Please excuse me for my lack of knowledge but who are the Canadian Rangers? Is there talks of a Canadian company building a Lee Enfield clone in 7.62 Nato? As far as we can tell is there only the AIA rifles in new production in 7.62x51?

I know there was some Longbranches switched over to the 7.62 round by DC?? something. I am asking about new production rifles. Thanks
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You need to do some reading. Use the search function, set time to 36 months.
No, no Canadian company is building a Lee Enfield clone.

BTW, that $800 figure...since it seems AIA outsources many of their parts to cheaper zones in SE Asia, does anyone really think you could build the same rifle in Canada for the same or less? If so, I have some land in Caledonia you really must see.:rolleyes:

The problem is the requirement for Colt Canada to make the rifles. Eliminate that and buy a bunch of off the shelf Ruger Stainless rifles with Canadian Rangers logo moulded into the stock and protected sights, you'd save a lot of money.
Starting a new rifle line from scratch is going to cost $.
 
cantom said:
You need to do some reading. Use the search function, set time to 36 months.
No, no Canadian company is building a Lee Enfield clone.

BTW, that $800 figure...since it seems AIA outsources many of their parts to cheaper zones in SE Asia, does anyone really think you could build the same rifle in Canada for the same or less? If so, I have some land in Caledonia you really must see.:rolleyes:

The problem is the requirement for Colt Canada to make the rifles. Eliminate that and buy a bunch of off the shelf Ruger Stainless rifles with Canadian Rangers logo moulded into the stock and protected sights, you'd save a lot of money.
Starting a new rifle line from scratch is going to cost $.
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But isn't that the Canadian way? I agree though. There are lots of rifles out there. Hey you guys as NEA, can you build 10,000 for our Rangers?:D

Looks like they are going to stuck with the Enfields for a while longer. They should still work just fine. Maybe their concern is the price of 303 ammo.
 
There are no patent, design, copyright, whatever rights to a generic Lee Enfield type rifle. Want to build one? Have at it.
Incidentally, the AIA was not marked "Made in Australia" because it did not qualify. Australian law requires over 50% of the cost of production to be expended in Australia, for the "Made in" stamp. Given Asian and Australian labour rates, it is pretty obvious that a lot of the work was sourced offshore. Nothing wrong with this, nothing wrong with using brand new left behind minigun barrels from Vietnam, either. These are decent rifles.
Tooling up to manufacture a modernized Lee Enfield rifle could certainly be done. I cannot see any real point in doing so, though. There are other cost effective options.
I agree with Cantom that a stainless Ruger Mk. II with rugged sights would be pretty hard to beat. I would hold out for a laminated stock though. An injection moulded one would just not do the job. Personally, I think that a version of the Scout rifle would do the job. I think the foreward optic is a bit of a gimmick, and a rifle might be preferable to a carbine. A detachable magazine system would be most worthwhile.
If a patrol carbine were desired, a version in 5.56 accepting C7 magazines would be very handy.
 
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