AIA Rifles such as the M10
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Depends on condition.
I've seen excellent rifles, with the case, and spare mags sell for that much.
Very pretty, supposedly stronger than No4 actions, and more accurate.
I never found that to be the case with the rifles I had other than the L42 clone, which was very accurate, with IVI ammo it liked.
There was a lot of controversy between the manufacturers and distributors, which ended up in court. We got the leftovers here in Canada.
They went through a few socalled scandals because some folks didn't appreciate the receivers being made in Viet Nam.
I don't know if they're still manufacturing in Australia or out of business.
I've seen excellent rifles, with the case, and spare mags sell for that much.
Very pretty, supposedly stronger than No4 actions, and more accurate.
I never found that to be the case with the rifles I had other than the L42 clone, which was very accurate, with IVI ammo it liked.
There was a lot of controversy between the manufacturers and distributors, which ended up in court. We got the leftovers here in Canada.
They went through a few socalled scandals because some folks didn't appreciate the receivers being made in Viet Nam.
I don't know if they're still manufacturing in Australia or out of business.
KotKotofeich
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No manufacturing in Australia. Manufacturing in Vietnam continued - they kept bringing them to shows for a bit. But getting them to actually agree on an export fizzled.
Aia never built anything, think Ruko, Tasco…
Arsenal 27 or Z111 factory built em and is still producing guns. You can find some threads on Reddit with pictures.
More than a few threads on here and other sites about them
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and not hard use capable when the rangers needed a replacement they got evaluated by some level of government.
If you want a 308 Enfield, buy one, L39’s and other 308 Enfield’s. Calgary shooting centre brought in a least a dozen last year
Arsenal 27 or Z111 factory built em and is still producing guns. You can find some threads on Reddit with pictures.
More than a few threads on here and other sites about them
Considered
and not hard use capable when the rangers needed a replacement they got evaluated by some level of government.If you want a 308 Enfield, buy one, L39’s and other 308 Enfield’s. Calgary shooting centre brought in a least a dozen last year
The Z111 Factory was built in 1957, and was originally called "Z1 Factory".
The Z111 Factory is a state-owned firearms factory located in Thanh Hoá, Vietnam. It is a core part of the Vietnam Defence Industry and produces a variety of small arms for the People's Army of Vietnam. Z111 manufactures domestic variants of several foreign-designed weapons, often under license. Notable products include the STV-series assault rifles (based on the Galil ACE and AK platforms) and locally produced versions of the TT-33 pistol and PP-19 Bizon submachine gun. The Z111 factory was built in collaboration with the Israeli company Israel Weapon Industries (IWI).
Z111 factory was founded in 1/3/1957 under the name "Z1 Factory" at Yen Bai with its primary task is to repair various types of guns, artillery, and optical equipment to meet the equipment requirements for training, combat readiness, and combat missions of the Army. On February 3, 2014, IWI entered into an agreement with Vietnam to produce the IWI ACE under license. Production was made in a joint production facility. Additionally, the Z111 factory is also involved in manufacturing several weapon components for export to the Israeli company IWI in Israel.
Many component of the IWI Jericho 941 pistols were also reported being manufactured, most likely for a production contract between the factory and IWI.
In recent years, the factory has invested heavily in weapons and equipment to support the production of various types of infantry firearms including Artillery. Advanced manufacturing techniques such as barrel cold forging and CNC machining have been introduced. In addition, the factory has also replicated firearms currently in use by the military and has heavily modified those designs to better meet the operational requirements of the armed forces.
The Z111 Factory is a state-owned firearms factory located in Thanh Hoá, Vietnam. It is a core part of the Vietnam Defence Industry and produces a variety of small arms for the People's Army of Vietnam. Z111 manufactures domestic variants of several foreign-designed weapons, often under license. Notable products include the STV-series assault rifles (based on the Galil ACE and AK platforms) and locally produced versions of the TT-33 pistol and PP-19 Bizon submachine gun. The Z111 factory was built in collaboration with the Israeli company Israel Weapon Industries (IWI).
Z111 factory was founded in 1/3/1957 under the name "Z1 Factory" at Yen Bai with its primary task is to repair various types of guns, artillery, and optical equipment to meet the equipment requirements for training, combat readiness, and combat missions of the Army. On February 3, 2014, IWI entered into an agreement with Vietnam to produce the IWI ACE under license. Production was made in a joint production facility. Additionally, the Z111 factory is also involved in manufacturing several weapon components for export to the Israeli company IWI in Israel.
Many component of the IWI Jericho 941 pistols were also reported being manufactured, most likely for a production contract between the factory and IWI.
In recent years, the factory has invested heavily in weapons and equipment to support the production of various types of infantry firearms including Artillery. Advanced manufacturing techniques such as barrel cold forging and CNC machining have been introduced. In addition, the factory has also replicated firearms currently in use by the military and has heavily modified those designs to better meet the operational requirements of the armed forces.
I remember reading a post online about 4 or 5 years ago about some guy who claims he has over 12,000 rounds through his AIA Enfield and has never had a single issue or broken part. He said it was his most accurate Enfield in his collection of 6 Lee Enfields.Aia never built anything, think Ruko, Tasco…
Arsenal 27 or Z111 factory built em and is still producing guns. You can find some threads on Reddit with pictures.
More than a few threads on here and other sites about them
Considered
If you want a 308 Enfield, buy one, L39’s and other 308 Enfield’s. Calgary shooting centre brought in a least a dozen last year
maple_leaf_eh
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The concept was smart - new receivers and stocks then add NOS parts. But the concept never met reality. When I looked at one about 15 yrs ago, it was clear no old No.4 parts could be used. Everything was new, even though they looked like venerable old rifles.
Eaglelord17
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I wouldn't exactly consider the ranger replacement program to be the gold standard for whether or not a firearm is hard use capable or not.Aia never built anything, think Ruko, Tasco…
Arsenal 27 or Z111 factory built em and is still producing guns. You can find some threads on Reddit with pictures.
More than a few threads on here and other sites about them
Considered
If you want a 308 Enfield, buy one, L39’s and other 308 Enfield’s. Calgary shooting centre brought in a least a dozen last year
Considering the stocks on those new guns are falling to pieces because they chose to use a laminate stock in the arctic, they really don't have a clue what works and doesn't.
The t3 was chosen for reasons other than functionality or durability.
I agree that procurement is a joke and that most issued “kit” is junk.
I’ve yet to see any pictures of failed stocks.
Wonder what happened to all the enfields they had. They could have been rebuilt, new parts could have been made.
I agree that procurement is a joke and that most issued “kit” is junk.
I’ve yet to see any pictures of failed stocks.
Wonder what happened to all the enfields they had. They could have been rebuilt, new parts could have been made.
the only reason an AIA enfield is listing for 3000.00 is due to scarcity and the hope that someone wants one bad enough to pay thru the nose for it.
If I'm dropping 3K on an "enfield" ...... it's not going to be some clone rifle like the AIA no matter how nice some of them might be. It's going to be a real Lee Enfield because a guy can find some real nice rifles for 3 grand or less when looking for the real thing or with that budget, restore one to near mint condition. New barrels exists as do lots of parts/stocks ect.
If I'm dropping 3K on an "enfield" ...... it's not going to be some clone rifle like the AIA no matter how nice some of them might be. It's going to be a real Lee Enfield because a guy can find some real nice rifles for 3 grand or less when looking for the real thing or with that budget, restore one to near mint condition. New barrels exists as do lots of parts/stocks ect.
Eaglelord17
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- Sault Ste. Marie
The AIA rifle stocks used Teak. It's quite good for civilian purposes, but may be too brittle for military purposes under harsh conditions.
There were other issues with the platform as well, such as the "poor attachment system for the front sight. It could easily be lost or knocked from zero.
The biggest disadvantage, IMHO, was, very few of the parts were interchangeable with existing No4 rifles in the Canadian arsenals.
They're nice rifles. I liked the four models I had, including the rifle chambered for 7.62x39. They were more than accurate enough for military purposes, but IMHO, as they were being produced, they were not suitable, without a lot of manufacturing changes.
The present issues with the Tikka rifle, laminated stocks separating, rests on the shoulders of the people involved with procuring the rifles not doing their homework, as well as the manufacturer of the stocks not doing their homework, and using the right type of glue to keep the laminates together.
During WWII, and maybe before, militaries experimenting with issuing laminated stocks soon found that glue was a huge issue.
I really like laminated wood stocks, but I've had WWII, K98 stocks, unissued, develop cracks. In one case, the stock completely fell apart. It was the early "white glue" type. Later "red glue" types don't seem to have any issues.
The stock that completely delaminated had been stored on its butt, with the but cap in place, but hadn't been touched since being taken out of the crate, and having the receiver removed for a custom build sometime during the sixties. I came across it in the mid nineties. There was still dried storage grease all over it.
The stock delamination of the Ranger rifles is an embarrassment, both for the stock manufacturer and the procurer.
There were other issues with the platform as well, such as the "poor attachment system for the front sight. It could easily be lost or knocked from zero.
The biggest disadvantage, IMHO, was, very few of the parts were interchangeable with existing No4 rifles in the Canadian arsenals.
They're nice rifles. I liked the four models I had, including the rifle chambered for 7.62x39. They were more than accurate enough for military purposes, but IMHO, as they were being produced, they were not suitable, without a lot of manufacturing changes.
The present issues with the Tikka rifle, laminated stocks separating, rests on the shoulders of the people involved with procuring the rifles not doing their homework, as well as the manufacturer of the stocks not doing their homework, and using the right type of glue to keep the laminates together.
During WWII, and maybe before, militaries experimenting with issuing laminated stocks soon found that glue was a huge issue.
I really like laminated wood stocks, but I've had WWII, K98 stocks, unissued, develop cracks. In one case, the stock completely fell apart. It was the early "white glue" type. Later "red glue" types don't seem to have any issues.
The stock that completely delaminated had been stored on its butt, with the but cap in place, but hadn't been touched since being taken out of the crate, and having the receiver removed for a custom build sometime during the sixties. I came across it in the mid nineties. There was still dried storage grease all over it.
The stock delamination of the Ranger rifles is an embarrassment, both for the stock manufacturer and the procurer.
A Tikka T3x Arctic (basically the same rifle as a C19) costs $3245 before taxes in Canada and is not scarce, while a regular Tikka T3x in .308 costs only $1099 at Cabela's Canada.
Tikka - 308Win - T3x Arctic - Oiled Orange Laminate Stock/Stainless, 20"Barrel, 1:10"Twist, Removable Front Site - Picatinny Rail - 10rnd Magazine, mfg# TFTT29ZM103
Your Price: $3,245.00
SKU: 190019181125
Stocks on the new rifles issued to Canadian Rangers for use in the far north are cracking and have to be replaced because they can’t withstand excessive moisture.
In addition, the lamination on the C-19 rifle wood stocks is peeling off, the Department of National Defence acknowledged.
Soldiers tipped off the Ottawa Citizen about the problems with the relatively new rifles and raised concerns about the effectiveness of the weapons.
One hundred and fifty-six of the rifles were initially deemed as unusable but the majority of the guns are still being used despite the problems, according to the DND.
The Canadian Forces ordered more than 6,800 of the rifles from Colt Canada in Kitchener, Ont., with deliveries beginning in March 2018. The contract was for $32.8 million. ($4800 each).
Canadian Rangers noticed the problems with the rifles shortly after the first ones were delivered. Additional concerns were raised in 2019 about “premature C-19 Ranger Rifle stock cracking,” DND spokesperson Kened Sadiku said in an email.
“Testing concluded that the wood used for these C-19 stock lacked sufficient protective finish to properly seal and protect the wood from extreme environmental exposure, resulting in the wood being susceptible to moisture absorption and shrinkage,” said Sadiku. “The test also indicated that the glue used in some of the C-19 stock exhibited early and unexpected laminate separation.”
Mosin Nagant's, SKS's, AK-47's and later AK-74's have laminated stocks that do not crack or de-laminate under similar conditions and use.
In addition, the lamination on the C-19 rifle wood stocks is peeling off, the Department of National Defence acknowledged.
Soldiers tipped off the Ottawa Citizen about the problems with the relatively new rifles and raised concerns about the effectiveness of the weapons.
One hundred and fifty-six of the rifles were initially deemed as unusable but the majority of the guns are still being used despite the problems, according to the DND.
The Canadian Forces ordered more than 6,800 of the rifles from Colt Canada in Kitchener, Ont., with deliveries beginning in March 2018. The contract was for $32.8 million. ($4800 each).
Canadian Rangers noticed the problems with the rifles shortly after the first ones were delivered. Additional concerns were raised in 2019 about “premature C-19 Ranger Rifle stock cracking,” DND spokesperson Kened Sadiku said in an email.
“Testing concluded that the wood used for these C-19 stock lacked sufficient protective finish to properly seal and protect the wood from extreme environmental exposure, resulting in the wood being susceptible to moisture absorption and shrinkage,” said Sadiku. “The test also indicated that the glue used in some of the C-19 stock exhibited early and unexpected laminate separation.”
Mosin Nagant's, SKS's, AK-47's and later AK-74's have laminated stocks that do not crack or de-laminate under similar conditions and use.
