Airgun PRS? Any Interest?

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A buddy and I have been kicking around the idea of having air gun PRS match and we are curious to get a sense of support?

Why air gun?

1) Since distances are shorter, it is easier to find a property where matches can be held
2) They are quiet so it draws less attention by local antis
3) Its good practice for 22LR and even center fire PRS
4) It gives us all a chance to get together and build friendships
5) It is just plain fun

We can see the need for different classes as the ballistic performance differences can vary wildly between different rifles, speeds and ammunition.

Our testing has landed us on what we consider the "ideal" rifle to use, (Weihrauch HW100 with solid barrel not FSB) but there are many others that could compete. Obviously PCP is ideal.

You may have seen some of the recent videos from 22 pinkster where they had competitions between 22lr and air rifle and the performance out to 300 yards was quite similar, but obviously those air guns were top speed, and likely too hard core for what we are proposing.

Cost is certainly a factor as an HW100 is not an inexpensive rifle, ($1,500 to $1,700) but the payoff is that it is cheap to feed and can be used more often than 22lr and centerfire due to site accessibility.

We have been running the 13.4 grain .177s at around 400 FPS and are pretty much hitting postage stamps out to 50 yards. Obviously we could increase regulator pressures and go faster and work with the 16 grain 177s but we are getting into more advanced class.

We are thinking that keeping it under 500 FPS is a nice balance of performance and safety, but we are also thinking of the over 500 FPS class... and the HW100 is also available in an under 500 FPS model.

We are located in southern Ontario, and would be looking for support from shooters in this area, but invite others to consider the same.

Is this something that sounds interesting to you?

Are there many of you who are already tooled up to participate.

My rifle looks something like this, but with a longer barrel and different scope and rings.

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Why Weihrauch HW100?

It cannot double feed a pellet. It does not index the rotary mag unless the trigger has been fired.

When moving from position to position there is no chance of double feeding a pellet from bumping the charging handle.

I originally had an FX Dreamline which we found this to be a significant draw back since it has a spring loaded mag that cycles every time the bolt is actuated. This is actually common to most PCP repeaters and one of the main reasons the Weihrauch HW100 is so nice in this PRS practice role.
 
Best scope?

Scope of choice is regrettably the Vortex Diamondback Tactical as it has parallax down to about 7.5 yards. Most scopes actually have parallax to only about 10 meters but claim 10 yards which is not true.

I say regrettably because the glass clarity on the VDT is not very good and it would be nice to have better sharpness, but for the 7.5 yard parallax, its the only model we have found.
 
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Scope rings?

Our favorite scope rings are either SportsMatch or Infinity, for the adjustability. https://www.airgunsource.ca/us/scope-optics/scope-mounts/

Since there is no zero stop on the VDT, we set the scope rigs to bottom out the scopes elevation about 5 MOA off bottom.

That way we essentially have zero stop functionality built into the rings.

This is also essential to get that 7.5 yard zero.
 
I'd say allow guns up to 10ft/lbs and limit pellet weight to 14gr plus no slugs. Max range 50m, or 100m for CRPS style matches.
I bought a PCP specifically for practicing PRS in my yard then my rental got sold and now I'm in the city. Hoping to get membership at the range 15 minutes away.
 
I think you might find most of the guys with higher end guns, like, your HW100, FX Impact etc, are shooting over the 500fps limit. Not many of those guys are dropping $1200 + to shoot sub 500. These guns are shooting 14-20 fpe in .177 and 22-60fpe in .22. I know little about PRS but I believe it is a time + hit scored event. PCP guns with a magazine are ideal. You would have to limit the shots in a run to the lowest magazine count to make it fair and to get more people involved.
 
Would airgun PRS just be Field Target?

No PRS is different than field target. PRS/NRL is a timed event usually 90 or 120 seconds per stage and there is a shot sequence that needs to be performed consisting of 10 to 12 shots within the time window. Each stage is different. Usually a combination of distances that need to be fired in an order that is designed to create some level of confusion. The shooter typically has to construct some sort of firing position from multiple obstacles.

The best shooters are typically those that remain focused and calm even though there is a sense of urgency to get all the shots away in the time limit.

Targets are typically steel gongs.

A CRPS 22 LR Outlaw match would have targets at 25, 50, 75 and 100 yards, but we could go further if the location allows.
 
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I think you might find most of the guys with higher end guns, like, your HW100, FX Impact etc, are shooting over the 500fps limit. Not many of those guys are dropping $1200 + to shoot sub 500. These guns are shooting 14-20 fpe in .177 and 22-60fpe in .22. I know little about PRS but I believe it is a time + hit scored event. PCP guns with a magazine are ideal. You would have to limit the shots in a run to the lowest magazine count to make it fair and to get more people involved.

I think you are on the right track. Sometimes a mag change is part of the shot sequence, but there are advantages to 12 round mags.
 
My Red Wolf .177 has a 13 round magazine while my FX Impact .22 has a 28 round magazine. Limiting the max pellets loaded into a magazine will even the field and force everyone to make a change. .177 pellets, out of an 19fpe gun, have a minimal sound when hitting a steel field target face plate at 50 yards. Maybe a steel gong will be louder. Something to consider when determining rifle power limits and distances.
 
I have high power PCP's only, in .22 and .25, jumping down below 500 fps or into .177 is not likely.
Regularly shooting in a gunclub, 50 and 100 meters and 22LR silhouettes, with these airguns.
I live North of Toronto, couple firearm-gunclubs here but nothing airgun specific in close proximity, for FT I need to drive West completely across GTA.
I would be interested for PRS, maybe I can convince the Board to borrow me a chunk of land on the property?
 
I have high power PCP's only, in .22 and .25, jumping down below 500 fps or into .177 is not likely.
Regularly shooting in a gunclub, 50 and 100 meters and 22LR silhouettes, with these airguns.
I live North of Toronto, couple firearm-gunclubs here but nothing airgun specific in close proximity, for FT I need to drive West completely across GTA.
I would be interested for PRS, maybe I can convince the Board to borrow me a chunk of land on the property?

I don't think there would need to be a restriction between .177 and 22, more likely some sort of velocity/pressure class. This would allow people with low velocity rifles to have a sense of hope.

Certainly we would not want to give anyone a reason not to participate. Just try and make it fair and yet competitive for everyone.

The under 500 FPS thing might just help with zoning in certain places.
 
The majority of airguns sub-500 are break barrels. I'm not sure how suited they are to a PRS style match. Personally a sub-500 match wouldn't be of interest to me as I don't have an airgun that low power.

As far as zoning is concerned you are likely going to want to shoot at a certified range if you desire insurance and other formal protections. The gun range has already jumped thru the hoops with the Canadian Firearms Officer to be declared safe.
 
The problem with an airgun PRS match is that if you're running a full-on match you'll probably need to run it on a proper range and then you might as well do rimfire. Maybe for airgun shooters who don't have a PAL or real firearms it might be an intro event, maybe draw them into "real" shooting?

Meanwhile for those with farms or huge backyards it may be more of a personal practice thing or something to invite a few friends over.
 
At my SGC last weekend I got a surprise visit, two board members asked me to give them some information - why or how I am shooting my .22 airgun at the 22LR silhouettes range. At first look I felt the emphasizes was in the wording "22LR" range if my .22 airgun is not a 22LR ...
And the conversation went on and on in a way to look into that the Canadian Firearms Officer declared the range in a book - safe for 22LR (only) - and no other guns can be used, and now the club would need to re-do the book to add an airgun use as well.
OK
Only when I got home from the club - but tinkering about a grammar until I drive - I got an email from club secretary with a copy of a new C21, to check my semi auto airgun (Edgun Leshiy2) if in the list of banned.

Fast forward from here, to OP,
In my Sharon Gun Club (North of GTA, a private - members owned gun club and not just a gun range) for example, there is an option and a possibility to build one range for air-PRS (this deal still need to be worked out to get a business case).
But, I don't think that there is any chance for non-Pal access, as a first road block.
CFO and insurance would be also on the table.
For myself alone I cannot work these through, a greater number of interested individuals would be needed to start rolling. And btw, currently I am the only one shooting airguns in the club, not much help with existing members - unless - this C21 will not earthquake the gun owners.
North of Toronto,
 
The new FX Panthera is in the way, dedicated airgun to PRS.
I may have a good use for it @ my 200-300 meters range as well.
 
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