Airgun silencers

[Masic]

If I could make the gun law difference in this country I would for example:

1) Remove the prohib, restricted and non restricted classes and replace with an application and a course for the type of firearm wanted. The course will need to be passed in order to own the firearm. Similar to our drivers licenses. Take a test per category.

2) Make available options for firearm expansion such as:

CC
Silencers
Full auto
Burst fire
Ammunition types

Small example but you see the point. The above will require an application and then a course

3)Remove mag capacity.

4)Remove the Att and make it a one time add to the license item

5)Location permits to go along with CC. Application then a course

6)Caliber types simple application

The above is short but I think that you get the point.

 

[Suputin]

in the crimnal code it says that it also has to be mounted on a weapon to meet there definition of a silencer a box that has baffels in it the you point the muzzle into is not a silencer (that would make clearing chambers illegal)

No it does not. Go back and read what the actual law says. There is no reference to a silencer having to be attached to a firearm. It simply states, "a device designed or intended to muffle the sound of a firearm."

Clearing chambers would not be illegal because they are neither designed nor intended to muffle the sound of a shot.

However bench mounted sound absorbing devices like a drum full of foam could easily be classed as a silencer.

 

[idontknowjack]

Now look-up the 'definition' of prohibited device.

 

[Pepperpopper]

Every post has proved you to be wrong and you don't seem to understand what a silencer is. Find out what a silencer is, how it is made, what it does and the laws regarding them then get back to us.

By the way there are no exceptions, what you own isn't a silencer. It is a tin can screwed on the end of a pistol to make it ''''look''''' cool and doesn't baffle the sound in anyway that a true silencer would, that's why it is called 'faux'.

I am knowledgeable about what silencer technology is and how it has evolved since watching it and reading about it since the 70s. And given that I have British family, I have had many opportunities to handle and examine silencers on British air rifles, which for a fairly long period were the state of the art.

There seems to be an implication that airgun silencers and firearm silencers are somehow in lockstep development, or fairly strongly related, which was certainly not true for a long time, I haven't kept up over the last 10 years. In many cases the top selling UK silencers had minimal baffling, and often used not much more than expansion chambers and a few baffles. PCP rifles are a more significant challenge to silence, than the spring guns that were the norm for so long. The budgets supporting that category are also well able to support more complex systems. Still heat, for instance, is one factor that does not require much mitigation on airguns, as expelled gas is a coolant.

The UK situation on silencers was related to the low velocities allowed on their guns, particularly when the .22s dominated. With out guns it is hard to see too many objectives that could not be handled with a fake silencer, as the quarry is less likely to move out of the way of pellets projected at available velocities. If shooting sub 500, the situation probably reverses a little.

 

[Pepperpopper]

However bench mounted sound absorbing devices like a drum full of foam could easily be classed as a silencer.

By that legislative logic so too could an indoor range that is sound insulated, or a barrel of any length greater than that required to achieve the desired level of performance on velocity.

 

[Pepperpopper]

If I could make the gun law difference in this country I would for example:

1) Remove the prohib, restricted and non restricted classes and replace with an application and a course for the type of firearm wanted. The course will need to be passed in order to own the firearm. Similar to our drivers licenses. Take a test per category. .

There is very little you really need to know to operate one type of gun over another. I think watching a 10 minute video would suffice. Keeping in mind that many things prohibited or restricted currently are in no way different from things that are not.

Here in Ontario we had the only course in the world that was required to get a turkey license. Just recently removed. It was a whole day of interesting crap. Really all you needed to actually know were a few obvious safety rules related to calling and camo, etc... And some important info on what size and ### of bird you could shoot. A postcard could have summarized the info. These things are just people in authority covering their asses, or actually trying to get in your way. Good firearms education is reduced to simplicity. Our expanded basic safety rules are just more confusing and in some respects incorrect in comparison with the 4 rules. But some idiots thought they knew better.

 

[Pepperpopper]

Someone mentioned whether anyone had seen silencers in Canada on air rifles. They certainly exist. Theobens with huge cans on them were sold up here with cuts in them a bit like the Cutts compensator, even though a roll of tape... And a certain mail order company sold a ton of stuff, sometimes even to customers without documents. Then there are a fair number with barrel covering tubes that have the baffels removed, which might even be an improvement as they depend on diverting gas from exiting the muzzle, in which design it is not clear that baffles actually add much. They should only slow the diversion of the gas to the rear of the gun.

 

[mac100]

So from what I have seen on these air soft suppressors they have a metric or oddball left hand thread. Are they all like this so it can’t be attached to a standard firearm suppressor thread. Or is it just some of these that have this.
By the way I don’t think this is a stupid subject and it should be discussed as much as possible. Someday when the next generation takes over hopefully they will allow this to make for quiter more friendly and safe environment for shooters and non shooters alike.
These things aren’t whisper quiet. It would be nice to not have to wear my earplugs and headphones together when somebody has the latest brake on their gun that shakes my fillings and gives me nosebleeds. They are suppressors not silencers. We have to use that word more often and drill this into the public’s minds

 

[53Izzy744]

silencers are also legal on crossbow and bows

You cant discharge a crossbow or bow within certain city limits because they are considered firearms. Yet they can be silenced legally, wtf??

 

[mac100]

You cant discharge a crossbow or bow within certain city limits because they are considered firearms. Yet they can be silenced legally, wtf??

I didn’t read through this entire thread but I think he is talking about string silencers which is just frayed rubber strands attached to the string so you don’t hear the twanging noise.

 

[53Izzy744]

I didn’t read through this entire thread but I think he is talking about string silencers which is just frayed rubber strands attached to the string so you don’t hear the twanging noise.

Yes i know those same with exalibur RED system and all those limbsaver devices that you put on the limbs of the crossbow. They are all designed to quiet the crossbow, which would be the same as quieting a firearm since according to most city bylaws the definition of firearm includes crossbows and bows.

Again, typical canadian gun laws = all over the map!

 

[snuggy1955]

So what about the ruger .22 pellet rifle... They come with noise reduction system they call it.... Basickly 4 or 5 baffles at the end of the barrel... It is non removable.

 

[trevj]

So what about the ruger .22 pellet rifle... They come with noise reduction system they call it.... Basickly 4 or 5 baffles at the end of the barrel... It is non removable.

You buy one, (if they are available, I didn't check) and you risk having it declared a prohibited weapon or recognized as a prohibited device by the RCMP, and they start looking for them all to be turned in for destruction.

Your money, your risk. I know that I won't lay my sheckels down for such as that, on those odds alone.

A few minutes with a hacksaw will remove it just fine.

So far as I have ever seen, there is no exact definition of what does or does not make a silencer a prohibited device beyond that they will decide and act accordingly. The joys of broadly and vaguely written Laws.