Akkar Churchill 206 Orcap - High Select Walnut Oil Finish 12ga
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And for those who are wondering about the triggers, they seem to be Mechanical (good news for hunters 
as I learned from North Pro, so they are not inertia based as I read in the model specs elsewhere.
If I can make up my mind about another option, I will see if I order one in the upcoming days.
as I learned from North Pro, so they are not inertia based as I read in the model specs elsewhere. If I can make up my mind about another option, I will see if I order one in the upcoming days.
Another encouraging news about the Akkar Churchill, I learned that one of the famous french firearm brand Verney-Caron from St-Etienne has an entry level o/u the Vercar model that is actually the Churchill 206 Trap.
If this high end firearm manufacturer trusts the Akkar Churchill, this means it has a good reliability and quality of build.
If this high end firearm manufacturer trusts the Akkar Churchill, this means it has a good reliability and quality of build.
I own one of these guns in the 206 high grade sporting and it is really quite good for the money. This shotgun ran me $1100 with taxes and it just seems to work and keep on working. It does have its flaws but I have found Beretta shotguns with fit and finish that would make the Akkar look superior in every way. On my gun and every other Akkar I looked at there was little to no wood over hang and was fitted very nicely. Im not saying this is better than Beretta or Browning, time will tell if Akkar lasts in the long run mechanically with there metal work and so on, but I am saying for the money it is extremely hard to beat. That's just my 2 cents and some might say im crazy but that's just me!
I agree with you. I have a CZ Canvasback (Huglu) and owned a Yildiz 20ga sxs and the these 2 plus the Akkar brand are something to look for when we need an affordable and good value for money o/u or sxs
The fit and finish are very impressive for the price and compared to those sloppy Mossberg or Stoegers etc. these Turkish brands are the way to go.
The only thing I don't like in my CZ Canvasback is that it's a bit heavy for my needs (grouse) and it never fit me so well, but it's so reliable and tough...
This Orcap edition is tempting to replace my CZ and I am still hesitating to order one. I asked some stores if they can let me pick from the photos of their stock. I don't think they will want to do that but I tried... I do not want to order one from another province blindly... I am used to pick it, shoulder it and see if I like the wood or not...
If no store want to let me do that, I might pass on this one and wait to see if the Combo version (30" / 20" barrels) will hit the Canadian stores...
Anyways, what kind of flaws you are talking about in your Churchill?
the wood looks great,
the triggers are mechanical
it takes remington chokes
the action is stiff but that is expected for a new gun
the trigger pull measures 2.5 lb each on the electronic scale
This is all I can help with, your preferences may be different but I think this works just fine for me.
the triggers are mechanical
it takes remington chokes
the action is stiff but that is expected for a new gun
the trigger pull measures 2.5 lb each on the electronic scale
This is all I can help with, your preferences may be different but I think this works just fine for me.
Question for NS
So my father bought one and here is one concern:
When closed the lever doesn't fully return to middle position. Is this normal or did he get a lemon?
After many many thousands of rounds it will move towards center. You actually want it to the right of center
Question for NS
So my father bought one and here is one concern:
When closed the lever doesn't fully return to middle position. Is this normal or did he get a lemon?
Looks nice, any further comments to share?
RF
Well as I said earlier, the gun belongs to my father. Unfortunately he has been in the hospital after he ordered it due to complications that occurred after what was supposed to be a day surgery. The gun is in my possession at the moment but I am not much of a double gun expert so I cannot offer you an expert's insight- that being said if you have any questions or would like to see some pictures then I'll try to help as much as I can.
I have some limited experience with higher quality English and French double guns, mostly side by sides so I'm not completely unfamiliar with what a higher tier shotgun should feel or look like. In my opinion, and I say this in a the least negative way possible, comparing this gun to a real top tier shotgun (which it is trying to emulate) is like comparing a well made fake Rolex to a real one. It works well and to the untrained eye it looks just like a real Rolex but the more discerning experts will be able tell it's not real from a mile away. The wood for example: I would rate it somewhere between low grade fancy and top grade select plain walnut which is quite a bargain for the price you're paying, however the wood to metal finish is not impressive at all-again, it's not bad but it's not what it is trying to emulate. Then there are minor things I can point out, like the engravings, which would have done a great service to the gun if they had stayed with a geometric-flower design that they have used on top of the receiver instead of the duck imprint that's on the side. Or the safety button which feels like it's plastic, and it's a bit loose (at least on this gun) among other minor details.
Like I said before, this is a $1200 shotgun that looks like a $5-6000 gun with acceptable fit and finish (certainly light years better than any Chinese made gun). It shoulders well and points like it should but I haven't shot it yet so I cannot comment on much beyond aesthetic merits of the Akkar Orcap. Now if you ask me whether it's worth the money? Absolutely. It's definitely worth more than the asking price but it's not worth the price tag that one would assume it carries prior to a close inspection which makes me feel odd about the whole thing. It's like having enough money to buy a real Rolex but seeing this fake Rolex that looks every bit like a Rolex for a fraction of the cost. Which one would you buy?
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Thanks so much for your impression. I think you said exactly what a gentleman I know and who is into hunting shotguns since a long time mentioned to me when he saw the real photos of the Orcap (not the company Ad photo). I already talked about that in an earlier post.
BTW what is the weight of the shotgun. Is it around 7lbs or 8lbs? I got conflicting reports about weight from one store to another.
I also agree, and now I am wondering if I get the Orcap or I go for the Silver receiver model that is a notch more expensive considering that the wood is "higher grade"
These are photos of the Churchill Silver version.
I don't have a very sensitive scale to tell you the truth but on my bathroom scale, the 28" model is right about 7 pounds. It's not a very heavy gun at all, then again I'm used to logging around Mausers and M14s.
Now as far as the choice between silver and this model goes, it might be a personal preference. My father liked this model because he thought it was unique. We had looked at a silver model at a local store earlier and the wood was less than impressive and he said that if he was going to pay that much for a Turkish O/U, he would rather get a second hand Browning. The problem with Turkish manufacturers is their consistency, and when it comes to online ordering it changes the game. If you're going for the silver model, buy one in person, inspect the wood and be sure you're getting what you want. Quality of the wood is an important aspect of a double gun however what most people don't seem to realize that is that it by no means comes before the integrity of metal and craftsmanship that goes into the metal work. Metal is the real working part, the wood can always be changed, refinished and reworked. To me wood becomes important when you're already paying for a high end double gun, so you will try to get the best part that you can afford.
One more thing, when you are picking your gun, inspect the wood around metal for tiny pours that might be present. Just because the stock was made from a quality piece of walnut, it doesn't mean it was finished and worked on to the same standards of quality.
Yeah I agree and this is why I am still hesitating to order one online. Yet I am asking for photos etc but no guarantee what I see in some photos will be free of flaws.
The silver models are in standard walnut that come around 800$ and in upper scale wood that is about 1200$. The one in the picture above has this upper scale wood.
I handled two of these at a local LGS. The stainless $800 version is very hard to open and close. I don't know if it's a one off, or the stainless are "just that way" but I would be hoping a few boxes of ammo would loosen it up.
Moving on to the standard 28", the wood is nice but as mentioned the fit and finish is nice, but wasn't what the pictures were showing. It looks pretty in pictures and on the wall but up close you can tell it was made quickly and not a lot of time spent fitting the depth of it to the receiver. The safety was sloppy (rattled around) and difficult to operate as it was sticking on both models.
I didn't weigh it or anything, but it is light for an OU shotgun. It shoulders quickly and I do like it - so much as I want to buy one still. I would love to shoot one before buying to feel how it shoots, but I haven't heard of anyone in the club picking one up yet.
Moving on to the standard 28", the wood is nice but as mentioned the fit and finish is nice, but wasn't what the pictures were showing. It looks pretty in pictures and on the wall but up close you can tell it was made quickly and not a lot of time spent fitting the depth of it to the receiver. The safety was sloppy (rattled around) and difficult to operate as it was sticking on both models.
I didn't weigh it or anything, but it is light for an OU shotgun. It shoulders quickly and I do like it - so much as I want to buy one still. I would love to shoot one before buying to feel how it shoots, but I haven't heard of anyone in the club picking one up yet.
Thanks for your review on these models. Then what I notice is that beside the ejector / auto safety / fiber sight, my CZ Canvasback (aka Turkish Huglu) has a good fit and finish and a solid feel all around. Now I am wondering if I should just keep it.
