Akt-98 .22lr trainer

Khalnath said:
There is no reason for the AK to be prohibited. You imply that the AK *IS* the most effective rifle ever. Do you have any reasoning to support that claim?
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Well nowhere in my post do I imply this this, but now when I think about it millions of AK's made and used around the world can't be wrong, It is a proven and reliable design that speaks for itself.

Besides all that the .22 mentioned looks to be quite a neat plinker, and I hope the owner gets a chance to bring it in. As maybe this will open the door to more becoming available in the future. And that would be very cool. :D

Please keep us posted how things go. :)
 
Khalnath said:
Who said you can't put an AK stock on your 10/22? Krinker plinker kits are legal.
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I was under the impression from the CFC guy that "looks like" means the same as "is". Thats why I'd like to send him that article about the variant. Well, if the RCMP let in the CZ 858-2,Lets all prey they let the akt-98 in. There were 1250 imported in the USA last year. Even if they do get a FRT number as non restricted it'll be hard to get a hold of one. Anyone try to get a web site for Armamentos ? I've had no luck
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There's no definition for variant. That's the problem. Some guns prohibited as variants only share looks in common and some look nothing like them but share internals.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love one of these, or better yet, an actual AK. From a function standpoint, there are better guns that are legal. I was merely pointing out the stupidity of the prohibition.
 
Have you seen a cz 858-2 ?. Check it out .Wolverine has em coming in march
I may get one if my akt can't come in. Too bad they don't come in .22lr
 
kuulnor said:
I forgot to mention I'm keeping mine at the exporter in montana till I get the final say. I wish I could send it to the rcmp to check out,but who knows if I'd see it again. This way I could always have it resold in the USA.
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I think that the RCMP would love to get their hands on it, just to confiscate it and label it an AK variant. The problem I see with it is it's described as an "AK Trainer".........that is exactly what the RCMP look for when classifying a firearm, manufacturer's literature. Not to mention the Armi Jager .22lr AK look-a-like's are already classed as prohibited.
If you have $400-$500 to throw away go for it, I wouldn't hold my breath though.
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I remember reading some place that 22LR AK trainers also came in full auto. Could the ones in the states be converted autos? or it came in two variants ?
 
Speckfire said:
I remember reading some place that 22LR AK trainers also came in full auto. Could the ones in the states be converted autos? or it came in two variants ?
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The US have stricter rules on c/a's then we do. Once a machine gun always a machine gun there. They cannot import c/a's or f/a's for sale to the general public.
 
If you have $400-$500 to throw away go for it, I wouldn't hold my breath though.

I already bought one of these puppies..........Here's what happened,
I saw the akt in Ohio last summer,I call the cfc and they sent me IIC forms to send to Ottawa and was told not to buy the Akt until the Import papers were stamped approved. 2 weeks later I received approved,stamped IIC forms(international import certificate) which states Canada approves the importation of this firearm. The foreign country needs these papers before they can apply for export docs. So I buy this firearm and had it sent to an exporter. In the import process we are to pre-register the firearms before they enter the country, so I send the registration forms in and get a phone call about not having a frt number..,they don't think it is legal but have left it for the RCMP to handle.............now the exporter has export papers in hand to send here, but I had to tell her to hold on in case it is not legal. They are confussed because they can't understand how a country would give permission for an item to be imported by an civilian that they may not be able to legally own or register.Common sense tells you they would look into the legallity of it before stamping a federal document.You make your own conclusions as to how our system works. BTW no bribes were given hehe
 
Yikes! What a freaking hassle. :(

Did our Government register it as a non-restricted?
If they did then that sets a precedent for the rest of us that want them. :)
 
Our government didn't classifie it as anything yet. They just stamped the IIC form approved. On the form I wrote the description of it and value. Took 2 weeks.
Still waiting
kuulnor
 
I don't think it will get in as it shares its reciever with its namesake except that the ejector is longer on the AKT. Too similar for the RCMP to approve IMHO.
 
I'm still waiting. Months and months. I've never had to wait this long to receive anything else I've bought. My 2 mausers are also still in the USA waiting and waiting. Before 9-11 was better when we could personally import them.
 
I hate to burst your bubble, but ....

Take a look at this thing...
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This is made by armscor - it doesn't even share the same receiver design as the AK - but, because it's described by Armscor as their .22 version of the AK, it receives a 'variant' designation and therefore prohibited status. I hate to discourage you, but the fact that its an AK trainer (and looks so much like an AK), will likely fit the definition of AK 'variant' as the RCMP sees fit. To be honest, I don't know why you'd even want an ATK98. The mags are ridiculouly expensive, and the quality is supposedly pretty terrible. I did some reading on them on a few American AK forums, and honestly haven't handled this particular one myselfAt the same time, I completely understand...I always felt that the Kalashnikov was the best looking firearm ever made. A When it comes to a .22 autoloader, the Ruger 10/22 is king....if you want it to look like an AK - buy a Krinker Plinker kit, or go my route, a Choate Dragunov stock with a cheek piece. It is actually a great stock to shoot with, and gives it a little feel of the Motherland. I know your pain, I always felt that owning an AK lookalike .22 would be loads of fun, but after a trip to Vegas this year and getting a chance to handle and shoot a Mitchell AK22, the Armscor .22 and a Galil copy .22, I found that the only thing these had going for them was their looks. Almost everything else about these rifles (quality, accuracy, replacement parts, cost and availability of mags) absolutely sucks! If you really desire that Eastern Europe fllavour, I wholeheartedly suggest the CZ 858. Just got mine a week ago, and I absolutely love it. Granted, its not as cheap to shoot as a .22, but with Czech surplus at 15 cents a pop, its not too terrible.
 
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I see some of your points. The extra mags are only $20.00 at SOG. We'll see what happens. I have a 10/22 with syn stock and gm barrel. It's nice but I can't stand the action lock. At our range they want to see it locked open after ever round and it is hard to operate and hurts my finger by the end of the day.Is accurate. I saw the akt-98 and thought it would be neat.I hadn't seen any bad reports at that time(aug-05) The CFC guy who's on my import case had a meeting with the manufacture last thursday along with the RCMP. I have yet to hear the outcome but, they told me the forensics lab wants one to dissasemble before any results are made. Mine may end up on a table in pieces.I offered it to them if in worst case they send it back to the USA. Not sure if that'll fly cause I belive it can't be reimported. The bummer of this is my other 2 rifles are on the same IIC and export form and they all have to come together or the exporter and I will have to reaply all over again. The exporter has all the paperwork to send here and can't understand why Canada would give permission to import if it didn't know what it was.This makes Canada look real dumb in Americans eyes.She may be able to sue for wasted time,storage and false government documents. If this was the States........... keep you posted
 
They are confussed because they can't understand how a country would give permission for an item to be imported by an civilian that they may not be able to legally own or register.Common sense tells you they would look into the legallity of it before stamping a federal document.

You will find that in the absence of black letter law explicitly forbiding it, the DFAIT will approve your application to import practically anything.

If you put AK trainer on the IIC, your out of luck, but as you correctly used the guns proper name, it now falls to CBSA to intercept the parcel, and the CFC to make the FRT entry.
 
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