Alfa Proj Revolvers. Thoughts?

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Looking at making my first revolver purchase. Have spent some time firing a Dan Wesson .357, but looking for something a little in my price range. Really like the looks of these revolvers. Whats the quality? If not these where is another good place to start? Was thinking of getting a .357, so if im feeling cheap i can shoot .38.

Edit: Thought i would mention i am equally fine with either S/A or D/A. Also not interested in 9mm etc in a revolver.
 
Try using the advanced search function for this forum and go back a year or two......lots of opinions both pro and con

FWIW I was faced with a similar choice and chose to go with a used S&W 586 off of the EE for similar money to a new Alfa. If you like Dan Wesson's I think there are a couple being offered on there now.
 
Save your money and buy a smith. The advantage is that the alfa proj revolver shoots straight and the gun is cheep. There are a lot of little things that you need to know.

There is a lot of play in the cylinders. They move more that any other double action revolver out there.

It works, i am yet to have a malfunction. The gun doesn't like shooting more that 50 rounds in a session. It gets hot and stays hot.

The manual says that it MUST be cleaned every 50 rounds.

The internals look like stamped 1/8 inch aluminum. When I cleaned it, it was uncomfortable to put the spring system into place. To hold the spring in place you put it over a long thin piece of metal. (i was worried about bending the spring guide.)

After about 300 rounds, the very thin piece of metal that held the rear sight broke. The warranty will replace it but check in to see how many months it takes to fix.

You can easily reduce the trigger weight. It was almost necessary to reduce the trigger weight. After the weight was reduced and I did a little reading my groups were within a couple inches at 10 yards.

There is a part of the trigger mechanism that catches if you do not let the trigger move the full length of travel. It might just be that I am a new shooter, but it surprises me that this revolver is not capable of the same trigger reset drill that a semi auto pistol is.
 
I picked up an Alfa Proj 9261 steel frame 6 inch in 9mm in the spring of this year. I ordered the reduced power hammer spring from Rusty Wood Trading in BC as well as extra moon clips. I have nearly 2000 rounds through the gun so far and couldn't be happier. (I also own a S&W 586 and Ruger Gp100) For me the Alfa shoots the tightest groups of the bunch. Compared to the 586 and the GP100 it looks and feels slender and a little delicate but has been 100% reliable.

Only malfunction so far has been the rear sight screw that attaches the sight to the top strap worked loose. A drop of loctite cured this. I have no experience with the 357 version but I would consider another Alfa based on my positive experience with the 9mm.
 
I really like my AP. But I went into it knowing that the brand has no track record or history like S&W, Ruger, Colt or even Charter Arms. So there is no doubt at all that it is a bit of a gamble in a hobby/sport where folks consider that the product should work reliably for decade after decade. If you buy an AP you'll be taking a risk as well.

Out of around 300 rounds shot so far with mine the gun has been 100%. And unlike Jetcocked's experience mine does not have excessive play or seem like it's going to break anything any time soon. I only recently got the extra moon clips so I'm hoping to use the gun more frequently very soon. In fact I plan on using it in a Speed Steel match tomorrow which will pile on another 180 to 200 rounds.

In your case since it's your first revolver I'd strongly suggest you stick to S&W or Ruger. And my own preference is to go with S&W for the nicer trigger pull. And this isn't just brand loyalty since I've got both brands. Ruger triggers have a little "click" in the DA pull where the cylinder stop bolt is released. This felt click telltales that the hammer is about to break. And that can lead to a flinch. The S&W trigger does not give this same click in the trigger which is why I feel that the S&W is a slightly better option.

But more importantly you'll be buying a better known reputation for long term reliability. And for a first gun of any sort that counts for much.

There is a part of the trigger mechanism that catches if you do not let the trigger move the full length of travel. It might just be that I am a new shooter, but it surprises me that this revolver is not capable of the same trigger reset drill that a semi auto pistol is.

Hey Jetcocked, it's NOT a semi auto so I'm not sure why you would think that it would work that way. Since you're trying to work the "reset" I'm guessing that you're shooting in DA mode. You need to realise that it's not only re-setting the hammer but also the LONG travel of the hand which has to be fully back to the forward position to allow it to catch on the next cylinder pawl so it can advance the cylinder. There's no recoiling slide to do that for you like in a semi. There's NO revolver which lets you only reverse the trigger mid way and pull again. In DA mode they ALL require a full release so the action will reset.

If the works did reset earlier in the trigger stroke then the stroke needed to advance the cylinder and #### the mainspring would become MUCH harder. Remember that the work you do during the trigger pull on a revolver is doing all the work that the recoil does in a semi auto. The simple rule of "mechanical advantage" says that to make the effort lighter that it be done over a longer distance. So that's why the trigger pull in DA mode is so long and why there's no "mid travel" reset. Well.... .there IS a reset point. But the one you're looking for occurs when the trigger is just a hair from fully forward. And I do mean a "hair". The slop you feel before the trigger stiffens is all there is. And it's very little to the point of being almost nonexistent.

As for cleaning the gun every 50 rounds I'm going to guess that you got the rimfire version. Someone else noted that the chambers were snug fitting so that even a few shots made the casings stick. This isn't just an AP thing. I've got a S&W 17 that does exactly the same thing. I just bring along a .22 caliber bore brush on a short extension cleaning rod and brush out the chambers when they begin getting sticky and harder to eject the empties. Buying slightly better ammo helps too. Bulk ammo seems to be sloppy on tolerances and fits tighter as a result. Buying the better stuff such as CCI Standard Velocity or Remington Target and they fit better with easier ejection. But again this is a rimfire thing. The center fire calibers do not get as easily stuck. I can shoot many hundreds of rounds from the center fire revolvers before loading or ejection becomes an issue.

Why is it that snug? It's for accuracy. To hold the rounds accurately and seal well the amount of play compared to the round diameter has to be a given % of the casing diameter. And since rimfire cases are so small the play has to be smaller to hold the rounds accurately. But the fouling is the same size regardless so they chambers foul and get sticky more easily. Some folks polish out the chambers to enlarge them slightly. But it's likely that if not done well that accuracy will suffer. It's easier and less risky to carry a cleaning brush and simply brush away the fouling after half a dozen cylinders worth of shooting.

The gun gets hot? Again that's certainly not an AP thing. It's not a rimfire vs center fire thing either. It's simply a revolver thing. They ALL get almost too hot to hold if you shoot 3 or more cylinders worth of ammo back to back. And there's so much metal in the cylinder that they stay hot for a good 5 minutes afterwards.

You don't notice it as much with the semi autos because the slide insulates you from the barrel where the heat is. But given multiple magazines you'll feel it come through the slide and the guns again stay warm for quite a while.
 
They are a solid choice for the money. But you get what you pay for. Don't buy one expecting that you'll get anything close to S&W quality or Ruger for that matter.
 
I bought a 6" AP .357 (3551C I think) early this year. I've put probably about 400 rounds of .357 through it and the wife has put about 600 rounds of .38 through it with no failures. I did not have to stop every 50 rounds and clean it, it did well over 300 rounds the first afternoon the two of us were at the range. The cylinder locks up solid, I can't move it at all. This was also my first revolver.

I'm pleased with it, and aside from handling the Ruger's and Smith's in the LGS I have no experience with them. They are out of my price range for a firearm that I can't take into the bush with me.
 
I really like my AP. But I went into it knowing that the brand has no track record or history like S&W, Ruger, Colt or even Charter Arms. So there is no doubt at all that it is a bit of a gamble in a hobby/sport where folks consider that the product should work reliably for decade after decade. If you buy an AP you'll be taking a risk as well.

Out of around 300 rounds shot so far with mine the gun has been 100%. And unlike Jetcocked's experience mine does not have excessive play or seem like it's going to break anything any time soon. I only recently got the extra moon clips so I'm hoping to use the gun more frequently very soon. In fact I plan on using it in a Speed Steel match tomorrow which will pile on another 180 to 200 rounds.

In your case since it's your first revolver I'd strongly suggest you stick to S&W or Ruger. And my own preference is to go with S&W for the nicer trigger pull. And this isn't just brand loyalty since I've got both brands. Ruger triggers have a little "click" in the DA pull where the cylinder stop bolt is released. This felt click telltales that the hammer is about to break. And that can lead to a flinch. The S&W trigger does not give this same click in the trigger which is why I feel that the S&W is a slightly better option.

But more importantly you'll be buying a better known reputation for long term reliability. And for a first gun of any sort that counts for much.



Hey Jetcocked, it's NOT a semi auto so I'm not sure why you would think that it would work that way. Since you're trying to work the "reset" I'm guessing that you're shooting in DA mode. You need to realise that it's not only re-setting the hammer but also the LONG travel of the hand which has to be fully back to the forward position to allow it to catch on the next cylinder pawl so it can advance the cylinder. There's no recoiling slide to do that for you like in a semi. There's NO revolver which lets you only reverse the trigger mid way and pull again. In DA mode they ALL require a full release so the action will reset.

If the works did reset earlier in the trigger stroke then the stroke needed to advance the cylinder and #### the mainspring would become MUCH harder. Remember that the work you do during the trigger pull on a revolver is doing all the work that the recoil does in a semi auto. The simple rule of "mechanical advantage" says that to make the effort lighter that it be done over a longer distance. So that's why the trigger pull in DA mode is so long and why there's no "mid travel" reset. Well.... .there IS a reset point. But the one you're looking for occurs when the trigger is just a hair from fully forward. And I do mean a "hair". The slop you feel before the trigger stiffens is all there is. And it's very little to the point of being almost nonexistent.

As for cleaning the gun every 50 rounds I'm going to guess that you got the rimfire version. Someone else noted that the chambers were snug fitting so that even a few shots made the casings stick. This isn't just an AP thing. I've got a S&W 17 that does exactly the same thing. I just bring along a .22 caliber bore brush on a short extension cleaning rod and brush out the chambers when they begin getting sticky and harder to eject the empties. Buying slightly better ammo helps too. Bulk ammo seems to be sloppy on tolerances and fits tighter as a result. Buying the better stuff such as CCI Standard Velocity or Remington Target and they fit better with easier ejection. But again this is a rimfire thing. The center fire calibers do not get as easily stuck. I can shoot many hundreds of rounds from the center fire revolvers before loading or ejection becomes an issue.

Why is it that snug? It's for accuracy. To hold the rounds accurately and seal well the amount of play compared to the round diameter has to be a given % of the casing diameter. And since rimfire cases are so small the play has to be smaller to hold the rounds accurately. But the fouling is the same size regardless so they chambers foul and get sticky more easily. Some folks polish out the chambers to enlarge them slightly. But it's likely that if not done well that accuracy will suffer. It's easier and less risky to carry a cleaning brush and simply brush away the fouling after half a dozen cylinders worth of shooting.

The gun gets hot? Again that's certainly not an AP thing. It's not a rimfire vs center fire thing either. It's simply a revolver thing. They ALL get almost too hot to hold if you shoot 3 or more cylinders worth of ammo back to back. And there's so much metal in the cylinder that they stay hot for a good 5 minutes afterwards.

You don't notice it as much with the semi autos because the slide insulates you from the barrel where the heat is. But given multiple magazines you'll feel it come through the slide and the guns again stay warm for quite a while.

And this is why, members on this forum rock, thank you BCRider.

I don't own an Alfa, but had the pleasure of shooting one a few weeks back. It was a 9mm with the shortened cylinder, and receded barrel. (9251 I believe) One unusually cool looking revolver thats for sure! I like it, felt good in my hands, and shot nice, although I would get a bigger wood grip for my bear paws. I am strongly considering getting one.
 
Pay the extra and get the Smith & Wesson or the Ruger. You will never regret it. They are so much better of a gun to look at and use. Just look for a good used one, they can be had for same price as the new AP will cost you.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Graydog
 
Pay the extra and get the Smith & Wesson or the Ruger. You will never regret it. They are so much better of a gun to look at and use. Just look for a good used one, they can be had for same price as the new AP will cost you.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Graydog

The OP expressed an interest in Dan Wesson. Where would you place them in the rankings? I've heard mixed things......some extremely positive and others suggesting that their QC was uneven during different periods of the company's history.
 
The OP expressed an interest in Dan Wesson. Where would you place them in the rankings? I've heard mixed things......some extremely positive and others suggesting that their QC was uneven during different periods of the company's history.

Dan Wesson guns for the main part are excellent guns. While it true there were some problems at times but I beleive that is true with all manufactors.

I have five different Dan Wesson revolvers and they all work excellent and are every bit as accurate as my S&W and Ruger guns are.

They are very neat guns because in most cases you can change the barrels to either a longer or shorter in a minute or so. That is a neat option to have. They are making the 357 model again but I have not had the pleasure of handling one or even better shooting one.

For me I would take a Dan Wesson over AP as well any day as long as it had been looked after.

Graydog
 
That kind of goes along with what I have heard. I looked at a 15-2 Dan Wesson on the EE pretty seriously but a S&W 586 came along at a better price so I went that way. The barrel kit thing was a pretty neat idea but aren't most of the barrels prohibited in Canada? (2" 3" 4" etc).

The revolver world seems pretty small compared to semi auto's. If you are buying new is there anything else to consider besides S&W, Rugar and now Alfa?
 
The Dan Wesson I shot came with the 2",4",6" and 8". The 2&4 barrels had the internals taken out :(. I found the 6" to best fit for me, as the 8" seemed a bit too heavy. The only downside was the wooden grips were a tad too big.

Did you look at that 14-2 on the EE asking 599?

Here's a 686 that wouldn't be too much of a stretch over a new Alfa .357 after you factor in the tax.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1128274-Wtt-s-amp-w-686-1-6-quot

If i hadn't bought two guns in the last two weeks I' might take a run at that 686 myself ;)
 
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They are a solid choice for the money. But you get what you pay for. Don't buy one expecting that you'll get anything close to S&W quality or Ruger for that matter.

Externally and internally I found that the AP compared just fine to S&W and Ruger. The ONLY shortcut is that the finish appears to be one of the gun "kotes" instead of actual blueing. But other than that the internal machining and fitting is just as nice as S&W.

Again, I'm not defending my purchase. With the AP I've got all three major brands in the safe along with some Italian single action clones. If I didn't like something I'd spill it.

Having said this it's pretty obvious that AP leans heavily on MIM parts. Which is par for the course these days and in fact almost mandatory if the company is going to manage to deliver a decent product at this price point in today's market. However if anyone has a hate on for MIM parts then they'll hate the AP product.
 
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