Algonquin Land Claim

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Hello Gun Nuts,

Im not sure if any of you are aware of this but i was talking to a friend of mine in Madawaska, Ontario today and was told about this.

Apparently we will be paying them hundreds of millions of dollars and all the crown land when this goes through. Here is some info from the site.

“Land claim territory

The Algonquin land claim covers a territory of 36,000 square kilometres (8.9 million acres) that fall within the Ontario portion of the Ottawa and Mattawa River watersheds.

The area that is the subject of the Algonquin claim includes most of Algonquin Park as well as CFB Petawawa and the National Capital Region, including Parliament Hill.

Of the area within the claim territory, approximately 59 per cent is privately held patented land, 21 per cent of the land mass is within Algonquin Park, 16 per cent is land held by Ontario as public lands and by provincial Crown corporations, and four per cent is federal Crown land.

This is the geographically largest and one of the most complex native land claims in Ontario under active negotiation. More than a million people reside and work within the claim territory

What are the elements of a possible claim settlement?
A settlement may include economic development initiatives, land, financial compensation, defined resource harvesting rights covering fishing, hunting, trapping and gathering, and related cultural matters.”


I was told this could go through as early as March 2014 but I can’t find exactly where he got that information from.

Anyone that hunts or fish in this area will be affected. How can we stop this?

There is a lot more information to be read but I’m not going to post it all. Check out the link when you have time.

http://www.aboriginalaffairs.gov.on.ca/english/negotiate/algonquin/overview.asp

This must be stopped! Enough is enough
 
Tell them to F##K OFF!!!!! The gravy train is done! Extorsion won't be tolerated or will their standoff tactics. Get a JOB!!!
 
This might be one of the land claims the OFAH was mentioning (or not actually talking about) a few months ago. Until whatever clearly shows what is afoot, this is more of a rumour than a reality.
 
Native land claim......how about the government expropriated land along Algonquin Park boundaries including the town of Kiosk which was ordered abandoned in 1996? The CN railway company helped the province close down this town. Nothing says misplaced democracy like bulldozed houses, an abandoned schoolhouse and the CN marked pickup truck that shadowed me and my young family of merely curious tourists in 1988.

f@cking Queen's Park BS!
 
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One of the issues that came up, is that the current Liberal government apparently has little concern for the residents there, as they largely vote Progressive Conservative anyway!
That was not of course officially put forward by the Liberals, but is obvious to anyone who is familiar with the area.
 
The land claim has been made even more complicated.The claim by an Ontario Band has been contested by a Quebec Band who was left out of the proposed settlement.
Both claims to territory far predate the provincial border.
If this land claim dates back to the 90s I will be surprised to see it settled anytime soon. These things can drag out for a very long time.
 
John Y Cannuck said:
One of the issues that came up, is that the current Liberal government apparently has little concern for the residents there, as they largely vote Progressive Conservative anyway!
That was not of course officially put forward by the Liberals, but is obvious to anyone who is familiar with the area.
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I recently tried to explain this terrible example of social crime against citizens, on the comments page, for a ghost town blog concerning Bancroft & Barry's Bay likewise abandoned small towns in Ontario. The blog blocked my comments because I failed to comply with a security question that does not exist on thier website. This is the kind of complicity I truly hate. Media & government...............ick!

Edit: Someone remembers, the town of Kiosk ex-residents meet once a year for a gathering.
 
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do they have to then pay us for all the improvements we made to the land?

What a crock of ####. We took it by force and I encourage them to try and take it back the same way.
 
Fall Guy said:
My camp is just north of the French River off of Hwy 69. What Objibway claim would that be?
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There is a good chance you are in the Atikameksheng Anishnawbek First Nation ( Ojibway/Chippewa First Nation)250,000 acres claims...When I was logging up there a few yrs back the MNR was concerned about these claims... If not in these claims, there are plenty of other claims that are still unresolved...The reason you don't hear so much about them is, they arent as big as the Algonquin claims...
 
nick7 said:
Hello Gun Nuts,

Im not sure if any of you are aware of this but i was talking to a friend of mine in Madawaska, Ontario today and was told about this.

Apparently we will be paying them hundreds of millions of dollars and all the crown land when this goes through. Here is some info from the site.

“Land claim territory

The Algonquin land claim covers a territory of 36,000 square kilometres (8.9 million acres) that fall within the Ontario portion of the Ottawa and Mattawa River watersheds.

The area that is the subject of the Algonquin claim includes most of Algonquin Park as well as CFB Petawawa and the National Capital Region, including Parliament Hill.

Of the area within the claim territory, approximately 59 per cent is privately held patented land, 21 per cent of the land mass is within Algonquin Park, 16 per cent is land held by Ontario as public lands and by provincial Crown corporations, and four per cent is federal Crown land.

This is the geographically largest and one of the most complex native land claims in Ontario under active negotiation. More than a million people reside and work within the claim territory

What are the elements of a possible claim settlement?
A settlement may include economic development initiatives, land, financial compensation, defined resource harvesting rights covering fishing, hunting, trapping and gathering, and related cultural matters.”


I was told this could go through as early as March 2014 but I can’t find exactly where he got that information from.

Anyone that hunts or fish in this area will be affected. How can we stop this?

There is a lot more information to be read but I’m not going to post it all. Check out the link when you have time.

http://www.aboriginalaffairs.gov.on.ca/english/negotiate/algonquin/overview.asp

This must be stopped! Enough is enough
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It's kind of hilarious if you actually think about it.

A group numbering @<1000 people on foot controlled 36,000KM??
 
Having seen first hand what is the worst that can happen in these land claim issues, I have zero sympathy for anyone involved in making a claim. I am talking about what happened in Ipperwash, Ontario. Nothing like driving a school bus through a police baracade, getting shot in the process, sueing the rcmp for said shooting, moving a band into the now unusable army baracks and occupying them until the government finally gives in and let's them stay, while STILL paying for all the utilities for them. Now, over 10 years later, with no more government money coming in, let's decide to tear off the aluminum siding and copper pipes and wiring from said barracks to sell for scrap.

Anyways, let's hope common sense prevails in the rest of these land claims so nothing like this happens again.
 
MrTwitch said:
Oh screw it, let's just hand over all the traditional territory, take our toys and leave.
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They wouldn’t know what to do without all the white man’s tools.

That’s the way it should be for anyone that lives on a reserve, “lives” off the land and doesn’t pay any taxes. I just don’t get how a “native” can live in a town beside everyone else, work at the same place as everyone else and are still given all the rights.
A buddy was telling me about this one native in town will go and shoot you an animal for a “fee” and drop it off at your place. Or another that goes into Algonquin Park, Looks for the cars that are pulled over and will shot the animals off the road and then drag them out with everyone watching. I think the best one though was a friend’s cousin that lives in up in longlac found some moose with the rear half cut off with a chain saw and the rest was left to lay…

Something is extremely wrong with the country we live in..
 
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